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Hi guys!

I have an issue some of you might help with.

I applied for an extension of my short-term residence permit months ago.

When I logged into e-ikamet portal to check my application status, I received the information:

Kayıt durumunuz :  It has been concluded. It is required to apply to Provincial Directorate of Migration Management

I called 157 immediately, and they were not very helpful. Do any of you know what this may mean? My application was “Under Assesment” till today afternoon (I have been checking multiple times a day). I didn’t receive any text message or e-mail from the Göç idaresi yet.

Do any of you have a similar experience? Any tips, apart from actually going to my Migration office first thing Monday morning?

Thanks a lot in advance

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I've not seen or heard of this message before. I think the safest thing to do is go to your local Directorate General of Migration Management and talk to one of the immigration specialists there, since that is what the message is telling you to do. You won't get a text message saying your application has been accepted, the only text message you will get is from the postal service (PTT) saying that it has been mailed to you.

The message above is puzzling... it may be that the person who wrote the program caused it to generate a message which isn't worded in the best way. At least I hope that is what happened.

During my last residence permit application, it took a very long time for me to get the message from the PTT (it was more than 40 days). So I went to the DGMM and explained that I needed to talk to someone. It was just a few minutes that someone came out and took me into an office where they pulled up my application and said it had been approved, and they would be mailing it shortly. So it wasn't much of a hassle for me, hopefully you will have the same positive experience.

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Thank you for your answer, Ken.

I am just very worried, as a long time has passed since I made my application. I took my documents to the Pendik office on June 18, and today was the first update in the e-ikamet system.

As a citizen of Serbia I had to use the first application module for the extension purpose (no idea why the DGMM requires that of citizens of Serbia or Montenegro). They didn’t ask me for the health report or any of the new documents mentioned in another topic on this forum, so I am wondering if this message means they want more documents from me?

Or do they want to tell me in person that my application is refused (although I would see no reason for that)? Would you know, in case of refusals, what is the message that the e-ikament system shows?

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I hope we have a member who has had the same experience and can tell you what happened in their case.

That is indeed a long time, but it is also Istanbul, and they are overwhelmed with residence permit applications.

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so I am wondering if this message means they want more documents from me?

In my case and past cases I know of, if there are any missing documents they ask for them during the interview. However, it could be that someone in Ankara is requiring something else. It is impossible to know just from that message.

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Or do they want to tell me in person that my application is refused (although I would see no reason for that)? Would you know, in case of refusals, what is the message that the e-ikament system shows?

The message is telling you to go to the DGMM, so regardless of anything else, you should do that. I don't know what the message would be for a rejected residence permit, perhaps one of the other members knows of a similar case and knows what message the system generates.

I wish I could be more help, but all I can say is that if I was in your situation, I would go to the DGMM and find out what is going on.

One suggestion: Print out the page with that message. It is clearly telling you to go to the DGMM. That way, when you get there, if they say you need an appointment, you can show that to them and get in to see somebody without a lot of hassle (hopefully).

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Hi Yabangee,this may be an indication that they need more paperwork from you,but in reading many posts on the Istanbul sites,it usually means your application has been rejected,so you need to go back to your GOC office & confirm one way or the other.

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Thank you for your answer, REDDERS. I will definitely go to the Göç office on Monday and learn.

I just wonder - in case they do reject my application - what would be my rights? I guess there is the right of appeal. In case I do appeal - am I allowed to stay in the country?

Any information would be appreciated.

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There is an appeal system. You need to ask the GOC for the email address, but tbh, if it's a fault of your own making,such as incorrect paperwork,or wrongly dated health cover etc, the appeal will be dismissed.

You can stay whilst the appeal is pending, but if refused it will just add to the days past your visa or old RP expiry, so when you leave Turkey it will increase your overstay fine.

I've yet to hear of anyone stating they have won i'm afraid.

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Yabangee, I certainly hope you haven't been rejected. Once you find out what happened, Would you please come back and let us know?

Thank you from me too REDDERS, I am certainly glad to see you here on this one!

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An update to all: the message I mentioned in the first post indeed means that an application has been rejected.

I went to my original office in Pendik this morning, they sent me to Fatih main office, and after a looooong wait, I was informed that my application was rejected for the most absurd reason - absence of adequate insurance. I went back to the information desk where a man was also puzzled by the rejection letter and advised me to file an appeal along with supporting documents (copies of passport, residence permit, insurance policies, work reference letter, etc), which I just did.

They said that I should receive a notification from them in about 15 days.

So... nothing else to do but wait. We will see, and I will let you guys know.

I certainly hope all of you will be better luck.

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6 hours ago, Yabangee said:

absence of adequate insurance

Hi Yabangee, i suppose you supplied a correct health insurance. is it so? the start / end date of you permit application should match the start/ end date of your health insurance, did you checked this?

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52 minutes ago, wbtcpip said:

Hi Yabangee, i suppose you supplied a correct health insurance. is it so? the start / end date of you permit application should match the start/ end date of your health insurance, did you checked this?

Of course I did. I applied for a two-year residence permit, with two sepatate annual insurance policies, exact dates involved. I attached both policies to my application.

Seriously - I am almost 100% confident that those guys at Göç idaresi don’t even read the applications or check any of the supporting documents. Probably it all depends which officer checks whose file.

By the way, as most probably have no idea - citizens of Serbia (along Norway and Fiji) pay approximately 2,700 liras for a two year permit, just in ikamet taxes.

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Me too i applied for 2 years with 2 policy (1 for each year). However the form on the website only allow to enter one policy so i entered the policy of the first year and i bringed the 2 policy together at my appointement at goç idaresi Pendik. The officer immediately told me we give only 1 year, anyway me i added also the 2nd policy with all the documents in the hope that reviewing my case they will give 2 years.

I wonder how did you entered 2 years in the application form?

I attach a pic of how i entered my first policy. (an officer told me that when having 2 policies only the first must be entered)

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Yabangee, I am happy to hear that this might turn out in a positive way after all. I am unfamiliar with what happens if the residence permit is rejected, and the appeal process. I am getting an education with this topic.

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I went back to the information desk where a man was also puzzled by the rejection letter and advised me to file an appeal along with supporting documents (copies of passport, residence permit, insurance policies, work reference letter, etc), which I just did.

Was there a form for the appeal? Was any of it done online or was it just a letter re-submitting the same documents to the immigration specialist?

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7 hours ago, wbtcpip said:

I wonder how did you entered 2 years in the application form?

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I actually called 157 to ask about this issue before I submitted my online application, and they told me to enter the details of the second policy on the form, as that is the one with the longer validity. So that’s what I did. Naturally, I submitted both policies in original, signed and sealed.

I wouldn’t think that could be the reason for rejection, as it is entirely their IT glitch.

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6 hours ago, Ken Grubb said:

Was there a form for the appeal? Was any of it done online or was it just a letter re-submitting the same documents to the immigration specialist?

There is a paper form that needs to be filled in (see attachment). What they also ask is to submit copies of passport, previous residence permit, if any, and any supporting documents concerning the case (I added the copies of insurance policies and a reference letter from my work). Needless to say, it needs to be filled in Turkish only.

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2 hours ago, Yabangee said:

I actually called 157 to ask about this issue before I submitted my online application, and they told me to enter the details of the second policy on the form, as that is the one with the longer validity.

To me they told the opposite, Beylikduzu Goç Idaresi told me to enter only the first policy in the application form and the officer told me that is reason for reject if i enter the second. This is a real nightmare.

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I think their policies are super inconsisent. One day they say one thing, the other day another. Seems to me it has reached the point where the default answer to anything is “no”, and flexibility depends greatly case-by-case.

What is hard for me to understand is why they want to make life more difficult to people who actually spend money here and pay for every service they get.

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8 hours ago, Yabangee said:

What is hard for me to understand is why they want to make life more difficult to people who actually spend money here and pay for every service they get.

I agree 100%, it seems strangers are no more welcome in Istanbul but we are helping this economy changing our money in turkish lira and spending it

 

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21 minutes ago, REDDERS said:

No applicants in Istanbul, [ only]  either for 1st application or renewal/extensions are being given any more than a one year validity, this has been the case since April 10th this year...

a friend of mine just had 2 years in Istanbul Fatih

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Wbtcpip - I am wondering - does your friend have a property? If so you can still get 2 years.

My experience of actual outcomes - is that contrary to the stated objectives when all this started - namely that you could get a 1 year (tourist) ikamet as a first time applicant and then only 5 months as a renewal and after 1 renewal nothing. In fact 1st time applicants are having the most difficulty with quite a few outright rejections - including ridiculous scenarios where a wife will be rejected but her husband accepted - I think this happens because every application is processed as an individual and they don't link individual family members together.

Most renewals seem to be getting accepted but only 6 months is being given. I have only heard of one case of 1 year being given, none of 2 years and one couple was given 3 months. It is an absolute lottery being driven by some sort of quota I would guess. However, I am talking about people I know from Europe/US/Canada. People from nations immediately surrounding Turkey and Central Asia are nearly all being rejected. A friend had a renewal interview and in the time it took to complete he saw 4 other people receiving rejections on tables nearby.

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40 minutes ago, GrahamN said:

Wbtcpip - I am wondering - does your friend have a property? If so you can still get 2 years.

Yes he has property, he's french, and he get 2 years in Istanbul Fatih, me too i have proprerty, i applied in Pendik and the officer told me property owners can get only 1 year. I think they say and they do things randomly. There are no rules ..so let's see what will happen to my application.

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