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Dear Ken (or any other friends here)

I am a student and married. Should I get residence permit for my wife or she should stay there under my residence permit (rp) card?

I know that she should have an insurance. But, what about a rp card? Should I pay the same amount for her to get a card or she just can stay under tourist resident permit?(The one that given for 3 months and then extended for a year I think)

I heard about "Refakatci" what is that?

Thanks

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Typically one family member would have a regular residence permit, like a short-term residence permit, and all family members would get a family residence permit. I am not sure if family residence permits are issued if the sponsor has a student residence permit--I haven't heard of this before, but worst case scenario, she would have to get her own short-term residence permit.

Each person must get their own residence permit. She would have to have health insurance to cover her for the duration of her residence, regardless of her residence permit type.

She would have to pay the residence permit fees, and would have to prove that she can live on the money you, and she, have together.

A refakatcı is a companion, normally I have heard of this as having someone to look after a patient in a hospital like a friend or relative. I haven't heard it in terms of a residence permit though.

There is no "tourist residence permit." There is a tourist visa that is usually used for 90 days in a 180-day period if that is what you are thinking of. A visa is permission to enter the country for a visit and leave. A short-term residence permit is permission to live in Turkey at a fixed address, and these can be issued for up to two years at a time.

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Yes. I mean about tourist that someone could normally stay 90 days but can extend it to two years. Maybe this could be a way for her to be allowed to stay in Turkey.

So, she also need RP card.

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You should read the articles I linked to in my previous reply. This is what Turkey's e-visa site says about ordinary passport holders from Azerbaijan:

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So your wife can come without a visa, but cannot stay more than 30 days at a time for a total of 90 days.

She cannot extend her visa (nobody can extend a visa). She would have to leave the country or get a residence permit and remain in Turkey as a legal resident. Short-term residence permits can be issued for up to two years. That is probably what you are thinking of. These are not visas. These are residence permits.

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@Ken Grubb,

Thank you so much,

I read many of those articles. I just have a question about this sentence :

Marriage certificate or approved photocopy of the document (pages containing information, first 3 pages in general) which evidences marriage is required. If obtained from Turkish authorities (can be obtained also from Provincial/District Registry Offices) they must be e-signed/signed and stamped/sealed, If obtained from abroad, they must be Apostilled and have notary public approved Turkish translation. If the applicant is a citizen of a state that is not a signatory to Apostille Convention, said document must be approved by the relevant state's authorities (consulate approval and by Ministry of Foreign Affairs or Competent Turkish Authorities authorized therefor).
 

So, in order to get a resident permit for my wife should I translate this document in Turkish and if so should I go to embassy of Turkey in my country to validate it?

You know, two years ago I came to Turkey as a student and my mother stayed for about 3 months. Even though, she did not extend her stay, but we asked from the office. They said that she should have an insurance and bank account (vergi numarasi is needed to this ones) and her place of stay should be given and clear (Which is the house I rented)

OK. Could my wife stay like this?

I do not want to spend a lot of money to translate and validate the marriage certificate which is really expensive in the country.

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Have a look at this concerning apostilles.

I am seeing here that Azerbaijan is a signatory to the apostille convention, which will make things a lot easier.

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So, in order to get a resident permit for my wife should I translate this document in Turkish and if so should I go to embassy of Turkey in my country to validate it?

No. I'll try to explain.

I'm assuming that the marriage certificate was issued in Azerbaijan. Now, if you were to bring that certificate to the Turkish authorities, first, there would be no way to know that it is genuine. Second, they wouldn't be able to understand it.

So to solve the first problem, the document has to be given an apostille. This is a stamp and a secondary certification which says the document is genuine. Apostilles are sometimes given by the government, other times given by private companies which have the credentials to issue them. You would have to ask about this in Azerbaijan, about how you could get an apostille for your marriage certificate. Now that you have the apostille, you have to send the certificate (or bring it) to Turkey.

In Turkey, take it to a government certified official translator. You can find one by asking at any noter (notary) office. The document will be translated into Turkish, and then certified by the noter to be a true and accurate translation.

After those two things are done, the Turkish authorities will accept the document. This must be done for any official document obtained from outside of Turkey.

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They said that she should have an insurance and bank account (vergi numarasi is needed to this ones) and her place of stay should be given and clear (Which is the house I rented)

Your mother came and stayed briefly with a visa. There is no need to have a tax number or report an address with a visa. What they were talking about was for if she wanted to get a residence permit and actually live in Turkey.

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OK. Could my wife stay like this?

She could stay for 90 days, then she would have to leave. If she got a residence permit, she could continue to stay for up to two years. If she gets a family residence permit, she could stay for up to three years, but I am not sure if they issue family residence permits to the spouses of students (I will call and ask).

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I do not want to spend a lot of money to translate and validate the marriage certificate which is really expensive in the country.

That's up  to you. You can at least check and see what cost is involved to get the apostille. The translation would be done in Turkey unless you used an official Turkish translator connected to the embassy or consulate in Azerbaijan.

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Your mother came and stayed briefly with a visa. There is no need to have a tax number or report an address with a visa. What they were talking about was for if she wanted to get a residence permit and actually live in Turkey.

Actually yes. For staying long-term I said.

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She could stay for 90 days, then she would have to leave. If she got a residence permit, she could continue to stay for up to two years. If she gets a family residence permit, she could stay for up to three years, but I am not sure if they issue family residence permits to the spouses of students (I will call and ask).

Please ask this for me. I want to know if I am a student and my wife want to stay more than 90 days what do we need to show to the GOC dairesi? What should I do?

Another thing is that, I asked from my brother's wife who is in adapazari and her husband works legally in Turkey. She said that just with 600 TL she got the ikamet for a year! She cannot explain well unfortunately, maybe she talked about an insurance. She did not show anything regarding marriage certification, which is a really relief.

Finally it is said that:

25 United States Dollars for First Mounth, 5 United States Dolllars for Other Mounth. So, as well as 58.50 TL to the card how much we should pay to stay for a year? 25 dollars+5*11 dollars which is equal to 80 dollars?!

 

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I will call and ask tomorrow. My regular home phone's batteries are dead so they have to charge up. I'll set a reminder to make the call.

Your brother is working in Turkey on a work permit, so he has regular income. And so he will have income to support his wife. He would not need to have money in the bank because he has a regular income. As a student, you will have no income, so you would have to show that you have enough money to support your wife in savings or some other source of money. The amount can vary, it just depends on whether or not you can prove to the immigration specialist that your wife will have enough income so that she will not work illegally.

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25 United States Dollars for First Mounth, 5 United States Dolllars for Other Mounth. So, as well as 58.50 TL to the card how much we should pay to stay for a year? 25 dollars+5*11 dollars which is equal to 80 dollars?!

I'm assuming you got that from the residence permit fee chart. Yes, that would be correct.

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3 hours ago, Ken Grubb said:

I will call and ask tomorrow. My regular home phone's batteries are dead so they have to charge up. I'll set a reminder to make the call.

Please ask exactly do we need to show the marriage certificate (as the one you explained)? I think it could be done without it!

Assume she is a separate person but has enough money and a rented house lives with me!

My goal to avoid complicating everything or doing Bureaucracy.

If that is really impossible, I think I can translate it here validated by the department of foreign ministry and finally the Turkish consulate. I think that would be enough. I just do not know whether it should be Turkish.

Thanks Ken:)))))))))))

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On the residence permit website, here:

http://www.goc.gov.tr/icerik3/residence-permit-types_917_1060_8865

It says this, under "Family Residence Permits":

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The sponsor is required to have a valid health insurance covering all family members; have a monthly income in any case not less than the minimum wage in total corresponding not less than one third of the minimum wage per each family member; submit proof of not having been convicted of any crime against family during the five years preceding the application with a criminal record certificate; have been residing in Turkey for at least one year on a residence permit and have been registered with the address based registration system.

So your wife could come to Turkey on a tourist visa, and then apply for a short-term residence permit on her own (provided she meets the requirements), then after you (as the sponsor) have been here for more than one year, she could apply for a family residence permit. So for now, at least she can join you, but only with a short-term residence permit.

I called the Göç İdaresi and they said the same thing--you can apply for a family residence permit for immediate family members as a student, but again, you must be in Turkey for one year before you can serve as a sponsor.

Regarding the marriage certificate, if you want to apply for a family residence permit after one year, obviously you have to prove that she is your wife, and that can only be done with a marriage certificate. Since it's from a foreign country, it has to have an apostille. Since it's probably not in English, it has to be translated.

You can get the marriage certificate translated in about an hour here in Turkey. Just take it to a Noter and he or she will have an official translator nearby.

If you don't want to go the family residence permit route, then she can just get a short-term residence permit and use your residence as her legal residence.

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30 minutes ago, Ken Grubb said:

So for now, at least she can join you, but only with a short-term residence permit.

Ken I do not know how can I thank you! Thanks for giving your time for us.

She will join me and she can stay for the allowed time-period for the tourists. After three months, she should go to the GOC and apply for the short-term resident permit, which is valid for a  year. right? (Maybe she should show the insurance and bank account, which has money in order to support herself) I just don't know how much money she should have in her account.

yes, she wants to apply separately. You know what?! Maybe she applies to the university and goes to the university after 5 or 6 months? In t his way, she could easily get resident permit.

30 minutes ago, Ken Grubb said:

she can just get a short-term residence permit and use your residence as her legal residence.

So, the documents required stated in the website, right? I do not want to go the family residence permit route,

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32 minutes ago, Ken Grubb said:

use your residence as her legal residence.

So, it will be legal right? Finally, what do you mean by use my residence?

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After three months, she should go to the GOC and apply for the short-term resident permit,

She should apply online after maybe 30 days--they recommend that people apply within 60 days of the expiration of the visa, since it takes time to get an appointment. Please read the articles I mentioned, you have to arrange your health insurance and apply online first, then the system will give you an appointment date and time. You have to get your health insurance first because they ask for the company and policy number when you apply online.

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which is valid for a  year. right?

They can issue a short-term residence permit for up to two years.

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I just don't know how much money she should have in her account.

The more the better, but it depends on what the immigration specialist decides. Since she will be staying with you, she won't have rent to pay, so she can get by with a lot less. She just needs to have enough money to support herself without working illegally, and she will have to convince the immigration specialist of this. There is no specific amount of money one has to have in the bank. She just has to have "enough," and convince the immigration specialist that it is "enough."

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Maybe she applies to the university and goes to the university after 5 or 6 months? In t his way, she could easily get resident permit.

Unfortunately, no. She would have to be accepted by the university and apply for a student visa to enter the country, then apply for a student residence permit, the same way you did. She can sign up for and take courses there while on a short-term residence permit, though.

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So, the documents required stated in the website, right?

Yes. All of the required documents are on the website I linked to.

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So, it will be legal right? Finally, what do you mean by use my residence?

Her legal residence will be your residence. So she won't have a rental contract to show the immigration specialist. There is another procedure required if a foreigner is using someone else's residence as their own legal residence--like someone staying with a girlfriend or boyfriend. You can read about that here:

Residence Permits with Someone Else's Address

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29 minutes ago, Ken Grubb said:

Unfortunately, no. She would have to be accepted by the university and apply for a student visa to enter the country, then apply for a student residence permit, the same way you did. She can sign up for and take courses there while on a short-term residence permit, though.

Thanks Ken, your answer is great.

Just I did not understand this part. You meant that she cannot apply for a university if she gets short-term residence OR She should continue with that permit but could apply and register to the university or work as a fellow?

Yes the way I did, was I got a document from the university stating that I am a student and also I have a scholarship 1800 TL/month. I showed it to GOC in Ankara and ....

 

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Sorry, I think I confused things. The point is that for a student residence permit, one must apply from their home country for a student visa, Then when they come to Turkey to study, they can get a student residence permit. So your wife would not be eligible for a student residence permit because she came on a regular tourist visa.

However, once she gets her short term residence permit (not a student residence permit), she could enroll in courses anyway. So basically, never mind. :)

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22 hours ago, Ken Grubb said:

If you don't want to go the family residence permit route, then she can just get a short-term residence permit and use your residence as her legal residence.

Ken , just a final question.

In this way we do not need to have the marriage certificate, right? Just like a girl-friend.

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You know. I want to do this! My wife stay legally in Turkey for about 6 months after that she will apply to the university in Izmir. The easiest way from my point of view is tourist visa since she could stay 90 days without anything required.

I conclude this from TurkeyCentral:

RESIDENCE PERMIT FOR TOURIST PURPOSES;
Foreign visitors without residence permit may remain in Turkey maximum for 90 days (either consecutively or separately) in any 180 days period prior to their departure. After 90 days, in order to stay in Turkey, foreign visitors are required to apply for residence permit.
• Residence Permit application form. (Also tax number obtained from tax office)
• 4 passport-size photos.
• Original passport and photocopies of the following pages of the passport: the page bearing the applicant’s photo, the page stamped at the last entry, the page indicating the validity and expiry dates of the passport.
A bank statement confirming the existence of an amount of USD 1000 for each month. (Please check with local office of Directorate of Migration Management. This amount may vary from city to city)
• If available, expired residence permit.
• Valid Health Insurance

She should apply this way and with this method we do not need to have any marriage certificate or so ...

About the bolded part I don't know the amount for the Izmir!

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In this way we do not need to have the marriage certificate, right? Just like a girl-friend.

Correct. She will be coming to Turkey just like anybody else, but using your address as her address.

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A bank statement confirming the existence of an amount of USD 1000 for each month. (Please check with local office of Directorate of Migration Management. This amount may vary from city to city)

Where did you get this? This part is not correct, if you got it on this site I need to change that! :) There used to be a requirement for a specific amount of money in the bank for each month, which was usually $500 USD, but $1,000 for Istanbul and I think Bodrum. But that is no longer true. Now, you just need to have whatever amount of money you will need to live on, it can be a lot less than $500 per month. With your wife it will be a lot less, because she won't be paying rent. If she has a reasonable amount of money in the bank to pay for food, clothing, transportation for each month that will be enough. For family residence permits the family just needs to have one third of the Turkish minimum wage. Even though she will not be getting a family residence permit, you can look up the minimum wage online and see what is expected of family members in similar situations. It will at least give you an idea of the minimum she should put in the bank for each month.

Remember, she must apply online, at https://e-ikamet.goc.gov.tr/. She should apply online after about 30 days in Turkey. Once she provides all of her information, including the health insurance policy number, company, etc., and completes the process, the system will generate a list of available appointment times and dates. She'll pick one, then complete the process and print out her application form. Then she'll take that with her other documents to her appointment. If approved, she'll get a temporary residence permit until her actual residence permit card comes by registered mail.

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2 hours ago, Ken Grubb said:

Where did you get this? This part is not correct, if you got it on this site I need to change that! :) There used to be a requirement for a specific amount of money in the bank for each month, which was usually $500 USD,

OH i AM SO SORRYYYYYYYYY

Yeah the right amount is 500 dollars for each month. Even though as you said it might not be required to have all of this amount.

2 hours ago, Ken Grubb said:

Once she provides all of her information, including the health insurance policy number, company, etc.,

So, she should first go to any company for insurance and get t he card then apply online right? they need that number while applying online.

About insurance, which one is reasonable regarding the costs? Also, if we want to have governmental insurance where should we go?

Thank Ken

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They don't enforce, or even use, the $500 per month thing any more. It all just depends on if you have enough money to live on without working illegally.

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So, she should first go to any company for insurance and get t he card then apply online right? they need that number while applying online.

Correct. Also have photos taken. She will need to scan one and upload it, and the photo she uploads must be the same as the ones she includes with her package.

You can't get government insurance until after you have lived in Turkey with a residence permit for a year.

For health insurance, you can get that here:

https://www.turkeycentral.com/forms/5-turkey-expat-residence-permit-health-insurance/

When you fill out the form, it goes to a representative of Ankara Sigorta who is also a member of Turkey Central. He can give you a quote for how much it will cost if you fill in the details in the form and submit it, then you can buy it from him if you want.

Be sure to read the articles on residence permits or at least look through the listings of articles, they will answer all of your questions.

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How do they assess if you have enough money to live here without working? I have a friend who will soon have to go through this, and our residences are up early next year. I just wondered what they are currently looking at. We just bring money over when we need it.

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Some time ago I went to the Antalya DGMM about this and a few other questions I had. I talked at length with an immigration specialist and also their public relations guy. According to them, everything focuses on the person and their individual situation. Each person is different, and each situation is different. That's the reason the "$500 USD per month" standard was abolished.

The immigration specialist provided an example of a lady, who lived by herself on a modest pension. She didn't have very much money to show she could support herself. However, she had a very inexpensive lifestyle. Her rent was quite low, she shopped at the markets, ate inexpensively, and didn't go out for meals or for entertainment. So according to their judgment, she could live in Turkey on what she had with no problems whatsoever. But they might have had a different conclusion if the person or situation was different, even though the amount of money might be the same.

They didn't specifically tell me this, but one part to consider is the minimum wage of Turkey. If a Turk can live on it, so can a foreigner, theoretically, and the minimum monthly gross wage in Turkey is 1,777.50 TL.

The minimum wage, by the way, is used as a standard with family residence permits. Besides the income the sponsor lives on, he or she must also have at least one third of the minimum wage in addition, for each family member applying for a family residence permit.

So it seems to me that, in a worst case scenario, one could have the equivalent of the minimum wage per month, and make the case to the immigration specialist that they could live on this without working illegally.

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Thanks Ken, so there is a chance for us after all. I am not allowed to go for expensive meals and we grow all our own fruit and veg. Maybe they will take all this into account. I like the minimum wage comparison though.

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Last time I came with the university funding and they even did not ask about my balance in bank. 

My wife will apply to the tourist visa and then changed to the student visa permit.

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During the online application system you have to declare that you have the financial means to support yourself, but at your appointment they may not even ask. In my case, they asked me to go back home and print off my last three months' bank statements, showing that I had a continuous pension payment coming in. They didn't ask for it to be translated or notarized.

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