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Hello everyone, 

I am currently in the process of trying to renew my residence permit and had a couple questions. My residence permit is set to expire at the beginning of November, so I thought I should try and get a jump-start because I have read online that it can be difficult to try and get an appointment. At first I was under the assumption that you didn't need an appointment for a renewal, but I have read some conflicting things online that says that now you need an appointment? Does anyone know if an appointment is now necessary?

Also, I started my online application for renewal yesterday evening; to see what documents were required, but was surprised that this time they sent me an email saying my application had been started. Last year I never received an email, I just entered my residence information and was able to find out what I needed then come back later and finish it whenever. I didn't think much about it until I read something someone on this forum posted about only having 5 days to finish the application and send everything in? If an appointment isn't necessary, does anyone know if this is true? 

Sorry, I hope these questions make sense. I was just a little worried about getting the email after starting my application, which never happened last year, and seeing that I might only have 5 days to get everything together and send it all in, which also might be difficult to do on such short notice. 

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At first I was under the assumption that you didn't need an appointment for a renewal, but I have read some conflicting things online that says that now you need an appointment? Does anyone know if an appointment is now necessary?

I have also read this, and I can't see any way this could be true. There would be far too many appointments to handle without a massive backlog and increase of personnel. Unfortunately, there is some wrong information out there.

According to the residence permit application website, for extensions, you still mail the documents in.

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You must sent extension applications via mail by PTT registered mail or courier service. Applications
sent by ordinary mail will not be accepted!
The documents must be sent within 5 BUSINESS DAYS after application is made on the system.
Applications which are not received by mail will not be evaluated.
All required documents together with the receipts (one copies of the receipt will remain with you)
must be sent to the provincial directorate of migration management to which application is made by
PTT registered mail or courier service within a big A4 size envelope WITHIN 5 BUSINESS DAYS.

This is from the PDF document they have available online, just go to the home page at e-ikamet.gov.tr => Required Documents and click "Documents Requested for Renewal applications."

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Also, I started my online application for renewal yesterday evening; to see what documents were required, but was surprised that this time they sent me an email saying my application had been started.

That may not be good news, because you now have five business days to get the package in the mail, postmarked.

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Sorry, I hope these questions make sense. I was just a little worried about getting the email after starting my application, which never happened last year, and seeing that I might only have 5 days to get everything together and send it all in, which also might be difficult to do on such short notice. 

They definitely make sense... thanks for posting them. The only thing I could suggest is that you call 157 and talk to one of the representatives there. Thankfully, a lot of this stuff doesn't take a lot of time to get. You can get a medical insurance policy, notarized copy of the passport and rental agreement in a few hours.

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Thank you so much for your answers, Ken. 

I called the *157* number and talked to them there about sending the documents within 5 days. They said that the 5 days doesn't start until I hit complete on the online application.

If for some reason they are wrong and the 5 days does start from when I start the application, do you have any idea of what the consequences for sending in my documents late would be? Would I just need to start the process over again as a first time applicant? Or would I be forced to leave the country?

 

Thanks again for all your help!

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If for some reason they are wrong and the 5 days does start from when I start the application, do you have any idea of what the consequences for sending in my documents late would be? Would I just need to start the process over again as a first time applicant? Or would I be forced to leave the country?

Actually, those questions are on a list of questions I took to the DGMM a few days ago. And it will take a while for them to go through it all and get back with me, unfortunately.

The PDF document they have available on the site just says this:

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The documents must be sent within 5 BUSINESS DAYS after application is made on the system. Applications which are not received by mail will not be evaluated.

I had read on another rather reliable site that the application is "made" as soon as it is registered, not when it is completed. But what the people at Alo 157 said, well, you can't get better information than that. Thanks for updating us.

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I think I posted this before but I know what happened to one couple for sure. It seems that if you are able to input exactly the same information as they hold already in the system when you renew you may not be asked for an interview. Of all the people I know in Istanbul this happened to one person - the wife of the couple. But the 5 days started when she started the application online, not when she completed. Because she didn't realize this she posted everything "late" and then was rung up and was told she had submitted it too late and not only that, because it was now past the anniversary of her old ikamet she would be fined when applying all over again. Her Turkish is the best so I don't think she would have misunderstood anything.

I realize this account conflicts with the advice received from the 157 number but this is Turkey. I think if you are late you just apply again as a renewal but as I said, if this is done after your ikamet expires there could be a fine.

Everyone else I know has had to go for an interview in Istanbul which why the system is at breaking point with waits of 6 months. I know of someone whose appointment is after the date for when their new ikamet expires.

It may just be Istanbul but pretty well everyone is being asked to go to an interview upon renewal.

 

 

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I think I posted this before but I know what happened to one couple for sure. It seems that if you are able to input exactly the same information as they hold already in the system when you renew you may not be asked for an interview.

Hmmm... This happened to me when I extended several months ago. The online system was asking for some type of number, and I couldn't tell what number they wanted by the way they referred to it. I tried entering my passport number and it kept rejecting it, finally it wouldn't take the information any more and told me to contact the DGMM. No appointment was made, and no appointment date/time was given to me.

So I went to the DGMM the next day, and an immigration specialist completed my application for me, on the spot. Nobody contacted me about it, probably because I was there on the next day.

I wonder if the same thing is happening in Istanbul. Maybe they're putting in the info, something isn't quite right, so the DGMM contacts them and tells them to come in. Which isn't an "appointment" made by the system, it's just a DGMM official wanting to have something clarified or corrected.

@GrahamN, are you saying that, when people in Istanbul apply for an extension, they actually have to choose an appointment date and time in the online system? Or is it somebody from the DGMM contacting them and telling them to come in?

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Hello again, 

I talked to the people at *157* again and they said I could just cancel my renewal application and start a new one when I had all my documents. Thought I would share that in case anyone finds themselves in a similar situation.

I also asked them about needing an appointment for renewal and they said that I just had to send in my documents by mail.

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It has been stated that ALL applications in Istanbul require an interview,which like all others is booked at the last page of your online application, as do most of the Mugla region.

Although the 157 helpline info should be gospel,like everything else here,it's not always the same as actually happens out in the various GOC offices.

Carrying on from that,it's well understood that if a Turkish official doesn't know the answer to a question asked of them,the majority of the time they will state what THEY think or plain guess an answer,rather than say they ''don't know''.

After dealing with assisting expats with RP applications for nearly 7yrs now, first with  the Passport Polis now the GOC & 157, i feel i have yet to be proven wrong..lol..... ;-)

 

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Ken, my renewal isn't due until December but everyone I've talked to says that in Istanbul at the end of the application process you are given a non-negotiable day and time for your appointment. If you happen to have some other important engagement at that time I guess it's tough. In the old system you chose your date and time fairly near the beginning of the process if I remember right. Although many times people were presented with a screen showing every date FULL and had to wait weeks for one to free up.

Since the situation in Istanbul has been like this all year now it seems like nothing is changing in the sense that the Goc Idaresi are happy to make people wait 6 months rather than hire more staff to deal with the backlog.

It really is messing up a lot of peoples' lives right now.

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CShaneman - you don't say where you are living. My experience about everyone needing appointments is just for Istanbul. Other places may be different. I just checked on the Goc Idaresi ikamet renewal application page and it does indeed have loads of advice about posting stuff in as that is the expected outcome (like it was last year) but 95% of people are told to come for interview. I have in fact heard of a 2nd person who didn't need a interview but they also got phoned up and told the documents arrived too late because the 5 days starts when you start the application application not when you complete it. 

I remember last year tracking our applications by PTT. Even though they were handed in at the same , one took 2 days to reach the Goc Idaresi and the other 3 days, 5 business days does not leave much margin for error. 

I am just wondering what happens to your documents when they ring up and say you're too late, I suppose they bin everything and expect you to get all receipts and notarised stuff / bank statements / insurance policies done again for your new application.

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Thanks to both REDDERS and you, Graham, for that info.

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Ken, my renewal isn't due until December but everyone I've talked to says that in Istanbul at the end of the application process you are given a non-negotiable day and time for your appointment. If you happen to have some other important engagement at that time I guess it's tough.

My questions were to try and figure out how the online system is working.

Based on the posts I am seeing here, it seems to me that at some point, the online system switches the user to the DGMM of whatever province they're in. And the DGMM in each province is able to configure the system the way they want it. So when you enter the fact that you're in Istanbul, you'll have one experience. And when I enter that I'm in Antalya, I'll have another. You'll be forced to accept an appointment on a certain day, while I may be told to mail in my documents.

And of course each province implements the rules differently. I wonder if the forced appointment thing in Istanbul has to do with previous abuses of the system there. It seems to me that a lot of the tightening of some rules has to do with the same, for example, having to get a copy of your landlord's ID card.

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I have in fact heard of a 2nd person who didn't need a interview but they also got phoned up and told the documents arrived too late because the 5 days starts when you start the application application not when you complete it. 

I heard that too. I'll get a direct answer about whether the five days starts when you first create a computer record of your application of when you finish it, but like REDDERS said, and as I have also experienced, you get different answers from different people, and nobody ever says "let me look that up (or ask someone else) to make sure."

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I remember last year tracking our applications by PTT. Even though they were handed in at the same , one took 2 days to reach the Goc Idaresi and the other 3 days, 5 business days does not leave much margin for error. 

I think it has to do with the postmark on the package, not the arrival date of the package. But I get that from the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), which is basically a model set of business laws many countries adopt, and I am assuming that Turkey follows the UCC. If so, that would mean that if the package is postmarked within five days, the rule has been met.

In any case, I have a few follow-up questions for the local DGMM, I will add this one about what meets the five-day rule.

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I am just wondering what happens to your documents when they ring up and say you're too late, I suppose they bin everything and expect you to get all receipts and notarised stuff / bank statements / insurance policies done again for your new application.

Me too! It seems ridiculous to do that if a package is one or two days late.

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Hi All

Heard some interesting news yesterday that may indicate that the situation in Istanbul may start to improve in terms of waiting time. A friend of ours staying with us temporarily who had an appointment in January (applied in July) got a text saying his appointment was being brought forward to October and then 5 minutes later another text saying it would be in November. Confusing eh since he can't be sure exactly what order the texts were actually supposed to have been sent. Anyway he's going to the Beşiktaş Göç İdaresi to confirm which one is true.

Either way it may mean they are taking on more staff to clear the backlog. If true that would be great news,

 

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On 10/5/2016 at 11:11 AM, GrahamN said:

Hi All

Heard some interesting news yesterday that may indicate that the situation in Istanbul may start to improve in terms of waiting time. A friend of ours staying with us temporarily who had an appointment in January (applied in July) got a text saying his appointment was being brought forward to October and then 5 minutes later another text saying it would be in November. Confusing eh since he can't be sure exactly what order the texts were actually supposed to have been sent. Anyway he's going to the Beşiktaş Göç İdaresi to confirm which one is true.

Either way it may mean they are taking on more staff to clear the backlog. If true that would be great news,

 

Hey,

 

They have started 4 5 new regional offices and this will reduce their load and perhaps less appointment duration wait.

Good luck.

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I think the new regional offices have been open most of the year already. This is something new hopefully, The friend in question was due to be interviewed at Beşiktaş but was told to go the main one in Fatih instead. A further development is that he received a text yesterday telling him to go there on Sunday 16th October for his interview. I've never heard of them doing things on a Sunday. Hopefully it is a concerted effort to clear the backlog. 

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So my friend goes for his "Sunday" randezvu at the main office in Fatih Istanbul along with 15 or 20 others who have received the same SMS from the Goç İdaresi and surprise surprise they are all told "of course there no interviews today - yours is now on December 11th". Unbelievable. So in the space of 2 weeks he's been told January, October, November, October again and now December. Total shambles. 

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I got a little more detail from my friend. They were actually doing interviews on Sunday but only for people whose original date was 3rd February 2017. His original date was 3rd January 2017 but people with both these dates were all receiving texts telling them to come on 16th October. So why people on 3rd Feb 2017 were brought forward 3.5 months but people on 3rd Jan were only brought forward only 3 weeks to 11th December we can't quite understand. But somehow they are trying to clear the backlog.

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Hello again, 

Just one more question. I just got my Insurance for the next year. I renewed with the same company I used before, but I noticed that the new policy starts the 13/11/2016 and the old policy ends the same day. The only issue I'm wondering about is that my RP expires 12/11/2016. Would I need the new policy to start on the 11/11/2016?

Oh and does anyone know what the typical RP renewal appointment is like? Is it a pretty standard just hand in your documents? Or is there an interview with different officials? I've heard a few different things about this, but I might be getting the renewal and the citizenship interview confused. 

 

Oh, and I just realized I had another question. It asks for my income. I have investments (Like rental property) in america. I use this money to live in Turkey. Should I put this on the application? Will I need to prove that I have this income coming in? Because I already have a Turkish bank account with the required amount of money in it for the RP regulations. 

Hopefully these questions make sense,

Casey 

 

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Just one more question. I just got my Insurance for the next year. I renewed with the same company I used before, but I noticed that the new policy starts the 13/11/2016 and the old policy ends the same day. The only issue I'm wondering about is that my RP expires 12/11/2016. Would I need the new policy to start on the 11/11/2016?

No. But the most important thing is that you have continuous health insurance coverage, and you have that. You can't have any gaps in coverage, whether the dates coincide with the dates of your residence permit or not.

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Oh and does anyone know what the typical RP renewal appointment is like? Is it a pretty standard just hand in your documents? Or is there an interview with different officials? I've heard a few different things about this, but I might be getting the renewal and the citizenship interview confused. 

Someone else would need to answer that, since it concerns Istanbul and I'm in Antalya. We just mail in our renewal application here.

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Oh, and I just realized I had another question. It asks for my income. I have investments (Like rental property) in america. I use this money to live in Turkey. Should I put this on the application? Will I need to prove that I have this income coming in? Because I already have a Turkish bank account with the required amount of money in it for the RP regulations. 

If you have enough money in the bank to satisfy them, that's enough. The main reason they ask for proof of financial support is for some assurance that you won't work illegally. I also have rental property in the US and I never told them about it since I use my pension to cover the income requirement. I have also used money in the bank. In fact I am considering just depositing some money in a Turkish bank on a long-term basis and keeping it there (drawing interest) just to make it a lot easier than getting stuff appostiled and mailed, etc.! :lol:

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1 hour ago, Cshaneman said:

Oh and does anyone know what the typical RP renewal appointment is like? Is it a pretty standard just hand in your documents? Or is there an interview with different officials? I've heard a few different things about this, but I might be getting the renewal and the citizenship interview confused. 

 

I believe it is fairly straightforward. I think if your appointment is at the main Fatih Göc İdaresi then once you go to the right floor there is a desk where you show them your reference number and they tell which desk to go to. You find the room where the desk is - then work out whether it is appropriate to go straight in to the official's desk if he's got no other applicant sitting there. They may allow you to sit there for several minutes without even acknowledging you whilst they finish what they are doing on their computer.

Then it's normally all done in 20 minutes or so I think with that one official.

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Thanks for the quick responses. I live in Besiktas but every time I tried to sign up for an appointment in Besiktas it continually told me they weren't able to give me an appointment there, but when I tried the Fatih Goc Idaresi, it gave me an appointment immediately. Hopefully that was the correct thing to do. 

2 hours ago, Ken Grubb said:

If you have enough money in the bank to satisfy them, that's enough. The main reason they ask for proof of financial support is for some assurance that you won't work illegally. I also have rental property in the US and I never told them about it since I use my pension to cover the income requirement. I have also used money in the bank. In fact I am considering just depositing some money in a Turkish bank on a long-term basis and keeping it there (drawing interest) just to make it a lot easier than getting stuff appostiled and mailed, etc.! :lol:

Thanks for the response! 

I put on the application how much I am making with the rental property. I didn't really think twice about including it on there until this morning. Would it be worth going back and redoing the application and just providing them with the bank account information and leaving the income section empty? I would have to figure out a way to get all the documents sent to me here if they wanted proof that I do indeed own property in the states.

Thanks again everyone! 

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Would it be worth going back and redoing the application and just providing them with the bank account information and leaving the income section empty? I would have to figure out a way to get all the documents sent to me here if they wanted proof that I do indeed own property in the states.

There is no need for that at all. They just want to know if you have enough money to live on. You do, and can prove it, so you will have no problems and they won't ask for additional paperwork for what you have in excess of requirements. Even the requirement is flexible. The old $500 USD equivalent per month in a Turkish bank thing isn't even really used any more. People who have less can also get residence permits if they can live on what they have. Sometimes they don't even ask for financial information.

 

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