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I'm  a U.S. citizen. I overstayed my residency permit by almost 6 months. It will be 6 months this week. when i went to renew I was told about the new health insurance policy and I was planning on leaving a lot sooner but got delayed. At the time the fine was cheaper than buying insurance and new permit but now I don't know.

I want to leave and come back on a 90 day  tourist visa but I can't find out how much the fine is. I have read on forums some people don't get fined, others different amounts. It seems up to the discretion of who's working customs.

I'm thinking if it's going to be a lot I might as well renew my residency permit. If I renew the residency permit BEFORE i leave will there still be a fine?

Trying to find the cheapest route. Also, will i get  a ban? I don't want to leave and have all my stuff in Turkey and not be able to get back.

I've called U.S. embassy in Turkey, no luck there.

Anyone know?

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Here are the last posted fines for overstays,but i have to say that at 6 months there is a chance you could get a ban of 6 months - 1 year. After the ban term has finished you then must apply to the Turkish Consulate in your home country for permission to return .

 

                   http://www.expatguideturkey.com/the-consequences-of-overstaying-in-turkey/

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Even if you stay and renew your RP, you will still have to pay a fine. In some cases they insist you leave the country, paying the fine on the way out and then come back on a tourist visa. Depending on the mood of the immigration officer, they may not let you in because you overstayed so long. It's very much luck of the draw.

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I looked on the chart. I'm confused because it say daily $1 but max $25 then it says  remaining months $5. I don't get it. So, does the $1 a day,  max  $25 apply to the 1st month then $5 a month after? Also, it says $$ but is it fined in LIRA??

 

Can anyone clarify?

 

If I renew my residency permit I won't get a ban, worse case pay a fine  and have to leave and return? The chance of only getting banned is when I leave with expired permit?

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It looks to me like the first month is $25, period. Then $5 for every month after that.

The fees are probably in US dollars because the US dollar doesn't fluctuate in value as much as the Turkish Lira does.

Once I overstayed by some 70 days. When I went to leave the country and return the same day with a tourist visa, the immigration official said I had to stay out of the country for 90 days. I called the US consulate in Izmir and explained the situation (basically I had lost track of the amount of time that had passed). The consular officer made a phone call to the foreigners' office in Izmir. She then relayed to me that I needed to go and renew my residence permit and pay a fine. That was under the old system before they had these set fines for overstaying, so the amount I paid (like 300 TL at the time) wouldn't apply now.

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Hey! I'm also in a situation where in the end I overstayed 6 months and now I'm about to visit my home country (Finland) this week. Overstaying has been summary of my own mistakes and wrong information when I have been trying to apply residence permit. When I first arrived it was impossible to get appointments and I tried and tried. In the end police officer didn't handle my application anymore because I had overstayed. His advice was leave the country, pay the fine and re-enter. After re-entering I have 10 days time to apply my residence permit.

I was and still am suspicious and scared if the entry ban still follows but this same information was given to me from Directorate General office. Since May they are in charge of Residence permit application and they try to make system more clear.

The main thing according what they said that if they find you and you are reported the entry ban follows. But if you leave with your own will you just pay fine and will be able to come back and apply RP.

I have to wait few more days to see if this really goes like this. Still I'm scared about the fine I have to pay since I can only have some imagination how much it can be. It would be much nicer if I can be sure I have enough money to pay it.

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Hey! So I left country last Thursday and wanted to update what happened this far. I went to the airport early enough and made check-in (in the visa violation office they wanna see your boarding pass. printed one, not from phone).

I was lucky because airport was quiet and I didn't have to wait. But as adviced somewhere here before I would still take 4-5 hours time before your flight so you don't have to panic.

I had my Turkish friend with me in case I would need some translation help. In visa violation office they were nice and speaked english but I felt more safe and also it somehow broke the ice that my friend spoke relaxed and fluently with them.

Remember to be polite! I explained straight what has happened and I have overstayed. They asked why I don't have RP but I didn't have to explain a lot. I just said how I was adviced from Directorate general office and I wanna come back and make my RP.

They accepted it and I paid the fine 650TL which was quite a relief. But also in this I would prepare to pay more. You cannot calculate it straight from RP fees chart.After paying they adviced me to go Passport control 1 (there is two at Atatürk airport) and to the 1st desk which is actually for handicapped persons. I got a document to prove I had paid and also small recipe which I gave to passport control and they stamped it and my passport and kept the recipe.

 

I was told that after paying a fine it wouldn't be a problem to re-enter. I keep you updated after next friday when my flight is smile.png

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For future advice and for anyone reading this in the same situation I have solid advice that worked for me.

1.  Aristocracy is your friend.  KNOW the right people.

I had married into an aristocratic family which has certain perks, I used up all my allowed days in Turkey and a phone call later I was allowed back in to Turkey (conditional that I get my papers sorted out).

Getting my resident permit took 2 hours max in Ankara because I know people who know the guy who runs that building.  I skipped through the investigation, background checks and just overall waiting around nonsense.  I actually waited longer for the insurance guy than the process.

2.  Don't rely on tourist visa for anything, get here and work on your resident papers. 

3.  Avoid bans and issues in Turkey because they can haunt you if you want a future here.

4.  Call anyone you know from Turkey for help, if you don't know personally the person who can get you out of a mess, maybe your Turkish friend does.

That's about it.  Knowing the right people in this country can give you a really nice life and makes everything so much easier and painless.  I'm not saying exactly go searching and use people for this reason, be open and maybe you will make friends here who end up saving your ass when times are hard.

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Hi, just wanted to post that I did not receive a fine. I flashed my exp. residence permit he looked at it and let me go through!  He did however investigate my passport pretty thoroughly so if It was just a tourist visa I don't think I would've gotten so lucky. I 1st gave my passport then when He was surprised to see no stamp for ahhh 1 1/2 years, he was like do u have another passport then I pulled out my residence permit. and walked right on through.

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Hey again!

I forgot to update earlier how things worked when I got back in Turkey. When I arrived to Ataturk airport after my trip I first went to Help desk. It is close to passport control and if you overstayed and paid fine you have to first go there. They gave me paper which I had to agree and it says I have 10 days time to apply my RP since I overstayed. After that it took a while that someone is checking my passport and then they let me go through passport control.

Well, it was little bit nervous experience but it worked out. But after it wasn't this easy unfortunately. When I tried to get appointment for RP online system said all the time that all appointments are full. After trying few days and getting same answer we called to the office and ask can we just go without appointment because I only have 10 days time to apply. They answered they cannot do anything now because appointments are full and I don't have to go there. I should just try again and again online.

In the end it was my 12th day and still no free appointments so I got desperate and we just went to Foreigns department. Place was a mess, people with and without appointments and also most of the people had some problem with a new system.

After waiting long time we finally got to see officer who didn't speak any english so I was lucky to have my turkish friend with me. They asked why I didn't come earlier and I explained what they said to me on the phone before. Then she said they cannot do anything because I was 2 days over and now I have to again go back to my country for 3 months!!!

Now I really am speechless and no idea what to do. After all this I don't actually mind to go away for a while but it feels crazy that I have all the time done what I have advised and now they cannot do anything. It feels crazy that because system doesn't work I have to travel back and forward when I really just wanna get my RP done and I have everything ready for that. 

If anyone knows what should I do I would be glad of any advises. I will for sure to complain about this somewhere but no idea if it really helps.

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The problem with Turkey and visas in general is they have hidden rules that you should follow but you don't know until it's too late.  For example that appointment system is always booked and it's almost impossible to get within 10 days.  They know that.  So they expect you to talk to someone else within 10 days to fix your situation.  They do have a point it is 2 days over, but this is a land of "who you know" and if you know the right people 12 days or 300 makes not much difference.

Also one thing they didn't tell you is that you are now currently overstaying, so sure you might have to leave for 3 months but coming back in won't be easy.  We need to fix your situation now if possible because you don't want to find out 3 months later that they banned you for awhile.

If you were in Ankara I could help a lot more but Istanbul is another city.  I'm going to ask my husband and I'll re-post back here if I have info or not, but I feel your pain.  Like I said I overstayed and went through the same but I know the guy who runs the visa department so needless to say I got an appointment the next day for my RP despite the system.

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Ok Dania.

 

I talked to some people and it didn't look too good.  They gave weird and suspicious looks to you being "Finnish" asking why anyone from there would be here. 

Your two options that I know of are these:

1.  Go to the Security Department as soon as possible.

Bring supporting documents as to why you want to stay in Turkey, like if you are in school or have a job.  Be very open and clear and in this case honest about what happened and what's going on.  If you go to them basically explaining your situations with supportive evidence there is a chance they can be merciful and give you some sort of extension.  The chance is small though.  If you do this option go wearing conservative clothes, if you were a Muslim this would be a lot easier...not trying to convert you but it's just fact of life with government here in Turkey that they are more sympathetic to Muslims.

2.  Go home, follow and obey all rules.

Probably your best chance is to just go back as soon as possible, I'm not sure if they will accept you back without any sort of punishment or fine.  I don't have the knowledge on whether it will be easy to return or not.  Could be, could not be.  You would return home, and immediately grab an appointment at the embassy for Turkey on your arrival so that you won't have this problem again, make the appointment 3 months from now and if you re-enter easy then hopefully this can all be sorted.

If you were engaged to a Turk your situation would be a little easier, but being all alone in this makes this not so simple.  I'm just assuming you are alone, because if you were engaged you could fight this in court but that alone is another mess.

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Hey again,

the thing is that if they would wanted they could have just taken my application since there were no free appointments. Probably I will head back to my home country and of I will make online appointment already there if there just is free ones.

I have become a good example how things are not working at all but i hope this will help someone in their problems also. Anyway the things is, at least in Istanbul, that they don't give so long entry bans etc. anymore. They mostly want money so if you are able to pay the fines at the airport it is not so much drama. Of I don't recommend to anyone to do this several times and I wish I could have just finished my application this time.

I'm going back to my home country, probably for 3 months. I will start online application process there and also contact the embassy if they could do something.

Keeping your updated :)

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Hi

I need some advice , i was overstayed in turkey for 14 days  and i paid 121 lira fine in airport, but the passport control office  never told me that if  i am banned to come back again in turkey or how many days

after one month i applied evisa and my visa approved, but i dont know if i am banned to enter in turkey for how many days or i am not banned, i asked turkish consulate nyc but they told me they dont have any information, i am banned or not

How i can check before travelling to turkey  , i am banned or not

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I overstayed my residence permit by 15 days in March, and only paid a fine. It's just a fine for short overstays, so it would make no sense for you to be banned. Besides, if you were banned, they would have told you. I really wouldn't worry about it.

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Hello all. Ok I am in a strange but somewhat common situation here.  I have been in Istanbul for 3 years now. I came under the old system where you went to the police station and did the whole visa thing. Last year I went and I was over due on my RP by 2 days. The officer was (thankfully) super nice and spoke great English. he told me to take a short 1 or 2 days trip to Bulgaria and come back. he said that I would need to pay a fine at the airport or bus terminal at the boarder if I went by bus. So I did that and they officers at the airport were super nice too. I got lucky there.  They told me that I would need to make a new appointment within 10 days of returning.  

I went to Sofia for a few days and came back and made the new appointment. All went well.  ...............now the problem starts.

1.  I now live in İzmir.  I am a freelance teacher. Done with the school system here for a while. Last year I had a friend go to the noter with me and get the paper that says I live with him and he pays all my things. (yeah yeah yeah....we all bend the truth sometimes).  But now my new flatmate is military and I do not want to ask him to do it since it might cause some problems with his job.  (just being careful about things).  So I am thinking to have my friend do it again in İstanbul and just skip the living in İzmir thing for now and change it in a  few months. 

2.  My RP expired yesterday OCTOBER 22,2015.  I totally forgot the date of it and now I am thinking that I should leave again.  

Now I am wondering, does anyone know if the process is the same at the port in Çeşme as it is at the airports. I mean go and pay the fine and then get on the boat and go over to Chios for a few days and then come back and get on this immediately.

Do you all think that it's possible that they will make a big fuss since I have done this twice now?

 

Fast replies are super helpful as time is of the essence here. The faster I get out of here and back the less it will cost me. Thanks all♥

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I'm assuming that if it's Izmir that the military person is US military. This should not cause any complications, so you should ask him or her to do the letter for you.  I was in the US military and stationed in Izmir, and I really don't see how this would be any problem at all.

If you register as living in Istanbul while you actually live in Izmir, yes, this will cause complications. You will be falsifying your application, which could have serious repercussions. Also, they will mail your residence permit to the address listed on your application. And you have to be there to personally receive it and sign for it.

The immigration officials will allow someone to re-enter the country even though their visa or residence permit has run out if they fill out a form pledging to apply for a residence permit within 10 days. I mention that for clarification for other readers.

Now it sounds like you did that, and have an appointment in Istanbul, but you now live in Izmir. So the appointment in Istanbul would have to be canceled, and a new one made in Izmir.

The best thing to do is to go to the Göç İdaresi (residence permit office) in Izmir and ask them what you should do. They Göç İdaresi has trained immigration specialists to handle situations like this, and they should be your source of information. Get the name of the person you speak to, and a telephone number where that person can be reached, so you won't be at a total loss if you have any problems the immigration officials.

Since you were on a residence permit, and residence permits are not subject to the same rules as visas, you should be able to take the ferry to Çeşme, pay the fine, and return on an e-visa. Then you can make your appointment for your residence permit. I believe this is the same thing the Göç İdaresi will tell you.

When you get a result, please post again here and let us know what happened, others in the future are bound to be in the situation.

 

 

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I wanted to give a current example of overstay.  I had a problem and wound up with four months over my work permit and was without a job...had some health issues and couldn't leave straight away.  I also could not afford the insurance to renew the residency permit.  I finally saved enough to book a flight and leave.  I paid the fine at the visa violation office and was able board my flight.  I am American...but get this I paid only 270 lira and no reentry ban!

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That's excellent info, Lizaah. It sounds like the border control people still have a lot of discretion on how much a person gets fined or if they get banned. and good timing on your post, since I just finished an article on overstays, the way the official documentation presents it it sounds as if things have gotten very strict.

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It really sounds like a minefield, with rules constantly changing and being applied differently at different exit points. It must be difficult to write an article to take all factors into account.

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I added it to the article:

It links to a second article about how much the fines are and about when somebody might get a re-entry ban. While I always read the official documentation (and often talk to a government official about how things are done), personal experiences from travelers are often the best source of information, so thanks, Lizaah!

 

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