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ok so its time to start thinking about what does a child need from a creche and also what would a mum expect to get out of sending a child to creche either PT or FT.

 

i think in my case i am lucky as i dont need to send my child but i may want to eventually for his own social /personal development.

 

Just wondered - what makes a good creche?

 

for us location matters and of course price (which i imagine varies greatly for what reasons i dont know didnt think yet.....)

 

having not taught under 5's as such its a new world to me....

 

anything anyone has to share on this subject i would be interested to read...

 

Anyone any experience of sending their dual citizen babe to an All turk creche?

 

Also wondering what people think about teaching in one (English) ? what to expect...i have always said no but i see advantages in doing so now my son is nearing creche going age (almost )himself ;-)

 

TIA

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Hi Lu good question what to want from a creche… here are some thoughts. Sorry if they are not well organised, hope they make sense. I think for FT or PT, as your son is at the youngest age for creche, it is a good idea to start part-time, unless you have to start a full-time job yourself.

 

To answer the question about what a creche is, in Turkey kreş refers to a school that looks after children from the age of 24 months until they start school at 60-72 months. They are also called nursery schools (anaokulu) or kindergartens in English, although there is actually an official distinction between those licensed by the Ministry of National Education (MEB) which are officially called anaokulu and those licensed by the social services department of the Ministry of Family and Social Policies (Aile ve Sosyal Politikalar Bakanlığı) which are officially called gündüz bakım evi. Basically both types of place provide similar types of education care. There are also pre-school classess attached to private kolej.

 

What to look for? First and foremost of course, a loving and caring environment that is safe and hygienic. That is probably the starting point. If these do not seem to be present don’t consider the place. Have a very good look at the cleanliness of the classroom, toilets and dining room.  Ask about staffing levels, how many are responsible for cleaning and which areas one person is responsible for.

 

Next the teacher needs to be kind and keen on interacting with your child and you. If the teacher (or the manager) shows reluctance in this area watch out. Look and listen to how the teachers speak to the children. Find out whether the classes are in year groups or have mixed ages. If they are mixed, what do they do to cope with that? Find out what the daily routine is, what kind of activities he will be doing.

 

These points seem simple and obvious but it can be difficult to investigate. Have a good look yourself, but some creche restrict access for parents, which may not be a good sign.

 

A child’s learning from creche is in 3 areas- physical, social and thinking. You can handle the physical and thinking sides yourself at home, of course, but the social thing is harder to do at home, so probably from your point of view that is one of the most important gains, learning to play and cooperate with others, children and adults. When you speak to the school see which of these sides they speak most about, that will tell you a lot.

 

I am always fascinated by the way children develop at creche. At the start they are like little islands, basically playing one their own, gradually they learn to do things with others and engage with their friends and adults. They start holding the pencil in their fist producing squiggles and gradually these turn into real pictures. They start with a very small vocabulary at the age of two, but at some point in that year they experience a language ‘explosion’ when the number of words they can use suddenly increases. At the start they have no concept of numbers or letters, by the time they finish they can count, add up and subtract and are ready to start to read. Sorry, I am rambling now, back to the question.

 

Money- something to watch out for is extra charges. On top of the monthly fee creche are only supposed to make extra charges for activities that happen outside the school- outings, theatre trips etc. but that doesn’t stop many from asking extra for stationery, extracurricular lessons like English and dance or making exorbitant charges for things like the end of year show costumes or photos. If that is the practice there but otherwise you like the place is little point trying to avoid the extras, but just try to be clear about what they are from the start.  

 

Hope this helps. Good luck with your quest Lucid, hope you find a nice teacher for your little boy.

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In Ankara my son (my avatar) was younger and he went to a number of crèches,  - the one we were most satisfied with was called 'AKD Kids' . They are all over the country I have seen a few in Izmir.

 

It was private and cost 1000Tl per month - each class of 8 had two teachers - one taught in Turkish  for one session - the next session was in English.

 

My son loved the school and did not want to leave !!!!

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Hi Fil as ever your replies always get my mind going in a good way as to what to think,  look for and consider..thanks for that. I also think the social factor is the main reason i would even consider to send him PT from 2 yrs old...also that i want to work maybe in the same place he attends... i didnt expect to breast feed this long so this has been one reason we have been tied to each other in some ways longer than i would have liked...he doesnt venture far from me for this reason. I am very curious and almost ready to try to experient with distance apart and wonder will he love or loath it! i promise myself i wont be offended if he loves it!!

I am also unclear what to expect if teaching (playing in English) with under 6's and am forever fearful of pressing parents who generally expect way too much of teacher and child where learning progress is concerned...(but also often not bothering to cover any continued study at home where lingo is concerned)....

anyway much to consider...oh to be a fly on the wall eh at this point!

GDB 1000tl is a big sum for us nowhere near realistic sadly for our budget. One would hope at that price a child would indeed enjoy themselves :-))

i think its difficult to know ones worth if infact the creche will be taking care of your child at the same time you work there.

Indeed if i dont end up working in one i wonder will i trust people as easily with my child while not being on the inside as such. My husband says there is no reason to send a child to creche if the mother isnt working....i dont have an argument for that i just tell him when we are out its clear my son wants to speak to anyone he sees i see that as a clear sign me and him can now have private time apart!!! cant justify paying for this though unless working..so we will see!!....

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Hello again lucid, good questions.

 

First of all, you won't need to worry about parents' expectations of you as an English teacher. After spending some time with you the creche children will start to come out with things in English at home, songs, colours, objects etc, and then you will be an absolute superstar for the families, it will seem miraculous to them. There is lots of good stuff around on the internet to help with teaching children of that age, often accompanied by videos to give you an even better idea of how it can look. It is great to see the excitement and joy that a four year old can show when they have successfully picked up a piece of yellow crepe paper on mrs fil's request. And as for feeding the crocodile (a converted shoe box) by throwing balls of different coloured paper into its mouth, you can imagine how exciting that gets.

 

Payment for children of staff, expectations vary between schools. Many pay the going rate for the job and the child comes for nothing as that facilitates the member of staff working. That used to be the norm, but more now seem to expect some kind of quid pro quo on the money they pay. Basically it depends on how much they want you, and they should want you very much, because it will be a big bonus and selling point to have you working with their children. I should start your negotiations with the expectation that the child comes free and you get a proper rate and take it from there.  

 

There will probably be tears when he starts, although some children start very happily without batting an eyelid. For many children the crying at the start is a kind of little ritual that starts when the mother says good-bye and ends a couple of minutes after she is out of sight. For some children the crying is more serious and it can take days or even weeks before they are really settled, but they get there eventually. With new starters, especially the younger ones, we ask the mother to wait in the office for the first few days so that if the child asks for her she can be produced and that reduces anxiety.

 

Your husband's point is fair enough, but the socialisation argument should be convincing, especially if you don't have an extended family around to provide additional contact for your child. Another point you could make is that it would also be good for your son's Turkish. Your child will need to learn how to share toys and cooperate with playmates, and that can be hard to learn if he is always with you. When we lived in Hungary mrs fil didn't work but we still sent the children to kindergarten because the first daughter showed she was desperate for contact with other children, friends and neighbours' children just weren't enough. The very few mothers we have now who don't work send their children part time, half days or three days a week, but mainly the creche is used to enable the mother to work.

 

The 1000TL in Ankara seems a reasonable price, especially if it was some years ago, because at maximum 8 the class size was very favourable. The legal maximum class size is 20, looked after by a teacher and a 'sınıf anne', and most creche in Antalya seem to take that as the norm. We have maximum 16 and 8 for the 24-36 month group. Prices in Antalya range from 450 a month to 950, 580 for us.  Kolej pre-schools are more than that.

 

Any way, just enjoy this little rite of passage that you are going to embark on, it will be a win win situation for you whatever happens.

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hello back, great reply again thank you...really settles my nerves. BUT now i have been given two other offers in one week and now i am totally confused! I think i have to go with the creche options in the end as i cannot afford to pay for childcare if i take anything else.....

 

The main issue i think is that parents dont pay much here in our area for daycare so wages are low..but in this case there would be a dual purpose to work. I do want to say though however and i know we had a thread on this in past years that Turkish children often (to me anyhow) seem to be the sit tight when told and behave sort of children and often get praised for being quiet and calm. My son is none of the above and my new worry is that my very active child will reflect in some way on my parenting/teaching skills at work....i kind of feel i will be judged in more ways that one but i suppose this fear is normal..

.what i think i am trying to say is i praise my son for maybe different things and dont worry or panick at small things so he is a fairly free spirit. I am often told at the park for example that i seemed to have overlooked a particular danger or that my son is hyperactive..to which i generally try to say nothing (sure you can guess what i would like to say!)...

.anyway my son is calling and i have to go but i will surely be back!....the noticable differences between turkish and English parental styles would be a good area to discuss!! 

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