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  1. Moving from one house to another requires some planning and coordination, from terminating your rental contract and disconnecting the utilities, to moving your furniture, to registering at the foreigner's office at your new place of residence. Before You Move Notify Your Landlord Long-term rental contracts are typically issued for one year. They automatically renew unless you notify the landlord no less than 15 days before the expiration date of the contract. You must do this in writing. Have the letter translated into Turkish by a qualified translator and make a copy. Both you and the landlord should sign both copies. Keep one copy as proof of notification. Landlord's Inspection The landlord will likely want to inspect the property for damages. If there are none, you should get your deposit back within one week. Unfortunately, many landlords will find any excuse to keep your deposit. If you gave your landlord a cash deposit, in hand, this may be a problem. But according to the Turkish Code of Obligations, the proper way to handle a deposit is to put it in a time deposit account with both you and your landlord present. Neither of you can withdraw the money until the end of the contract. After three months of contract expiration, you can withdraw the money without condition, unless the landlord notifies the bank that a lawsuit has been filed for damages. Dis-enroll Your Children from School Contact your child's school as early as possible and let them know that your child will be leaving. They will prepare any necessary documents for his or her new school. Take those documents to the new school, along with proof of your new address, and fill out the new enrollment form. Disconnect the Utilities For electricity, gas, and water, Go do the local utility company office within three days of your move with your residence permit, the meter readings, and your customer number and they will disconnect it on the date you specify. Water services are provided by the municipality, so their office will be within the belediye, or municipality building. For the water service, your deposit will also be refunded. Disconnect the Telephone Go to the local Türk Telekom office within three days of your move with your identification and telephone number. They will disconnect your telephone service on the date you specify. Any use of the telephone, as well as a disconnect fee, will be added to your final bill. Update Your Insurance Policy Contact your insurance company in advance of your move, to make sure your policy remains valid. Some types of insurance policies, like home and car insurance, may need to have the premiums re-calculated based on your new circumstances and surroundings. Forward Your Mail Unfortunately, PTT, the Turkish post office, has no mail forwarding services. You will have to have a friend or neighbor pick up any mail which arrives after your departure and forward it to you, or return and pick it up yourself. Moving Your Furniture and Household Goods Get a Professional Moving Company to Move You Get a few estimates from various companies on the cost of your move. The routine is the same for all of them. While performing the estimate, a manager will visit your house with a clipboard and walk around your house asking questions and taking notes. When he's finished, he'll quote a ridiculously high price. You will be shocked, and you should be. Express astonishment, refuse immediately, and thank him for his time. He will tell you about how great his company is and how they will individually wrap each item with loving care, and how you will not have to lift a finger during the moving process. Don't budge. Say that there is no way you can or will pay that much. This will result on an instant 20-25% discount, owing to the fact that he likes people of your nationality and has a relative living in your country. Refuse the second price, too. Say that, while you would like to employ his company, the price is still too high. Go on with the haggling until he contacts someone at the office, probably by going outside and talking on his mobile phone, or going to the office and calling you back. The price he will give you then will be best price. You can either take this price, or find another alternative, like getting a few Turkish guys to move you. Professional moving companies can be well worth the price, since they take most, if not all, of the headaches away. If you live on an upper floor apartment, their furniture elevator can be attached to your balcony, and used to raise and lower your furniture. Get a Friend with a Truck to Move You Turkey is famous for its informal networks. Just about anything you need, you can get, by just asking around. Eventually you will find someone who can do what you need done or knows someone who can do it. If someone like this moves you, there are some things you should know about. What you'll typically get is a man who owns a big truck, who knows other men who will work cheaply. Before the final agreement, verify the following: The size of the truck, since they may give you an overly-optimistic opinion that everything will fit. When money is involved, Turks may volunteer to do things which are actually beyond their capabilities. That they have the proper straps to secure the load. The number of workers, since they will have to move heavy objects, like your refrigerator, possibly down several flights of stairs. That you can use the elevator. Some apartment complexes prohibit the use of the passenger elevator for moving furniture. Typically the kapıcı (building superintendent), will turn blind eye to this, but if the movers have to use the stairs, they will charge more, and rightly so. That tips will not be included. Tell your Turkish friend to make sure the workers know this, otherwise they will shake you down for tips later (see below). They will probably not bring packing materials or padding to protect objects like mirrors or the screen of your television set, so you will need to plan for time to find boxes and padding, buy packing tape, and pack everything yourself. The price will be far lower than any moving company, probably in the neighborhood of five or six hundred Turkish Lira for a two-bedroom apartment. It is customary that you buy lunch and provide drinks for the workers. You can call a local restaurant and have lunch delivered when they take their lunch break. Paying the Movers Never pay in advance. Pay only when the job is completed. You should have made it clear that the price included everything, without tips. But since they will never see you again and have nothing to lose, the workers will try to shake you down for tips anyway. You are likely to be tired and mentally exhausted, simply wanting to get the whole ordeal over with, and they are likely to be persistent. So have only the exact amount of cash on you that you agreed to pay, and no more. Report Your Address Change You must report your change of address within 20 business days of your move, or pay a fine: For All Moves Take your passport, residence permit, and a copy or your rental contract or tapu (property title deed) to the local Nüfus ve Vatandaşlık İşleri Genel Müdürlüğü (Population and Citizenship General Directorate, or nüfus). After they enter your new address into their system, the clerk will give you a Yerleşim Yeri ve Diğer Adres Belgesi (Place of Residence and Other Addresses Document) showing your new address. For Province-to-province Moves If you move from one province to another, besides registering your new address with the nüfus, you also need to go to the local immigration office. Take your passport, current residence permit, rental contract or tapu, and the address registration form you got from the nüfus, and apply for a new residence permit card. Change Your Tax Address Send your change of address, in writing, to the local Revenue Administration Office. Or, you can change your address online. See the "External Links" section for a link to the change of address form. See Also Reporting Your Address and Changes of Address Moving In or To Turkey Forum: We have an entire forum devoted to moving to, or within Turkey. If you have questions about that topic, please ask them in the forum. Ken Grubb As a special investigator for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and teacher for the University of Maryland, Ken Grubb has lived and worked in Turkey since 1997. He now lives in Antalya, where he researches and writes guides to help others live skillfully in Turkey.
  2. Last week left our Mersin apartment on Thursday afternoon headed to our new place in Antalya. We drove half way and stopped at a hotel where there were only two other guests. On the way to Antalya we went past some of the biggest greenhouses I have seen - used for growing bananas. We arrived at Antalya on the Friday afternoon - to another hotel as our furniture and goods were not due to arrive at the new apartment until Saturday morning. The removal company decided that because access was limited they needed three more men to do the job so we paid for that. Everything was in and furniture assembled by late afternoon and we spent some hours unpacking. We also got the internet connected and air conditioning installed. Sunday was more unpacking and haircuts for me and the boys. We have been having takeaway food delivered as we don't yet have the gas connected. Sunday evening I listened to a lecture a friend was giving on Zoom "Listening to the Underverse: Gravitational-Wave Astronomy" My wife has ordered many curtains. It was rather hot over the weekend, reaching 41°C on Sunday, down to 37°C today, so we found that more air conditioning was needed, that has now been fitted. We have been sorting out out the natural gas supply and still need to as residents of Antalya. We have to complete our registration here as Antalya is a different province to Mersin, the process takes a few days, but once finished and we have our new ID cards I will be automatically registered with the Turkish state health system. As I am married to a Turkish citizen I qualify for free treatment, though I do have to pay for prescriptions. Still have lots of unpacking to do, but feeling rather exhausted..
  3. Hi Ken, Since you’ve lived there so long and have 20 years of experience, I was hoping you’d let me pick your brain on a few things. : ) You had asked about what my fear is? Well one thing that comes to mind is getting ripped off in a rental because I’m foreign and I don’t speak too much Turkish. Lol (although I want to learn if I’m going to live there, of course) From the months of time I spent in Turkey in the past, I learned the hard lesson that what Turks vs. Americans consider a lie is completely different, and so my biggest fear I guess is that I can’t trust anybody’s word. So, here are my questions: - I read your article about renting an apartment and was looking on sahibiden.com at ones that were available. I noticed that the majority of them say there is no heating insulation. Are apartments not insulated as standard? How do you keep the cold out? -I think as far as heating options it’s mainly split-units and not central, is that correct? How do you heat up the place in the winter and not have high electric bills with no insulation? I know it can be chilly in winter and one of my worst nightmares is being stuck in a cold, damp apartment. (happened to me in a place I stayed at in Antalya years ago and I got really ill) Do you find the majority of places you've been in damp since Antalya is by the water and is subject to humidity? -Is it difficult to find a furnished apartment? I have seen unfurnished seems to be the norm with a few sprinklings of furnished apartments. Are furnished ones the exception rather than the norm? I'm not going to be importing my stuff from the US if I move there, so I would need something furnished. -In your article you were saying how you can get sued if you don’t stay the term of the rental contract. How open or reluctant in your experience have you found landlords in adding in a “leaving before lease term” clause? -I also saw where you said you may not be rented to if you’re single – that’s another issue, made even worse because I am a single woman! lol Do you think I will have a lot of difficulty with this? -Is there still a sizable expat community in Antalya? And finally – (I know…. Sorry for all the questions!) *Regarding income taxes – I tried reading the agreement between Turkey & the US, but I can’t understand it. If I am working remotely for a US company and paying taxes/SSI in the US, do I also have to pay in Turkey? - With Social Security - I don’t think the US and Turkey have a Social Security agreement, is that right? How can I maintain payments into my US Social Security and not into Turkey's? I read that you have to have worked in Turkey like 20-25 years to be eligible for SSI so I don’t want to have to pay into something that I will never get. I’d rather maintain my US Social Security, which will be higher when I'm at that age, and continue to pay into that. Thank you for your time and patience in all of my questions! I really appreciate it since I am not “on the ground” over there and have spent countless hours researching things but not finding any concrete answers to these so again, thank you so much : ) Lily
  4. Hi I have been following this forum for long time but this is my first time to post on it . I'm going to retire soon as I'm getting near the age of 63 . My missus and I had visited several cities in Turkey and we fall in love in all of them. Now we decided to spent more time in turkey precisely from early May to late October every year and we need advice from you wise people to choose which area we can settle in. We are looking for a quiet non touristy village preferably overlooking the sea near an airport and has a suitable weather for outdoor activities during that period of the year. TIA
  5. Hi, After 19 years full of hard work in multinational companies I decided to move to Istanbul next month to start my own business, I’ll leave my country, family and friends, I’m a little bit nervous where this is a big challenge for me since I’m 40 years old and looking for stability. I need to start a new life in Istanbul, looking for friends, relationship and a good life. appreciate your advice, support and hep. Regards
  6. Hello Folks, Has any one moved to Turkey from UAE and what was his/her experience like? I am not sure of which place to choose dubai or istanbul.... any ideas? cheers
  7. Hey guys! Hope everyone is doing well. I have been considering moving to Turkey. I have a few questions in my mind and i would appreciate if people living in Turkey or have knowledge would comment and share there experiences. 1) I am confused about which city to move to. Yes i have read about people's experiences experiences on various forums. I have a few cities in my mind. Of course there are multiple factors one has to keep in mind. What I am looking for in a place? Not too crowded nor a ghost town. I am pretty much inclined towards Fetihye but then again I have read its mostly elderly expat community in Fetihye. 2) So the options I am left with are Fetihye( Oludeniz,Sedekmir), Kusadasi, Bodrum, Antalya & Didim(or even Bursa). The reason is obviously because of its economical prices. My budget is under 1,20,000 USD for a 3 bedroom villa. I can not compromise on living in an apartment as I have a dog which will be moving with me. Why am I mentioning the dog? Because the country I am living in...is not a pet friendly country and dogs are considered to be unholy.... I had to move recently from my previous house because the owner was quite upset as I had brought a dog in and GOD forbid his house had become filthy and impure. So I was left with two options either "throw away the dog" or move out. Location of the house was outstanding as it was located infront of a huge beautiful park. The only reason I prefered that house was because of its location and i had taken that house on lease for my elderly parents so they could enjoy the view. I have noticed that a lot of villas in Turkey do not have boundaries? Again I am concerned for the pooch as I need him to roam around in the yard freely without any problems. 3) I am also thinking about investing in a couple of apartments in Istanbul region (Not in the middle but not too far away either) Areas which seem affordable to me are Esenyurt, Beylikduzu. I was offered an apartment by a real estate agent based in Istanbul for 1 + 1 apartment/daire for 79,000 USD which was quite expensive imo as I had managed to find cheaper apartments in the same area on sahibinden. Also the real estate guy told me that i could easily put the aparment on rent for 1000 USD per month (Which was hard to digest) And no the aparment wasn't located in the city centre! As I understand some people do pay 750 USD near the Taksim/Sissly area in istanbul. My question is how realistic is it if i would go for 2 apartments in istanbul ranging between (200000-300000 Turkish Lira) and put them on rent? Is it realistic to earn a decent amount 3500-4000 Turkish Lira per month? Sorry for the long post but I am new to this forum and would like to gather as much information i can. As I need to decide asap if moving to Turkey is for me or not!
  8. hello, i want to live in turkey with my husband et my 3 childs, i want to know if it's possible to have a rp and after search a job there. it's legal to search for a job when you have a resident permit. un other question please, can i apply for rp for me and my family in the same time thanks a lot for your response.
  9. It took me about 3 months of trouble, probably 100 calls to 157, 2 appointments and generally lots of work, expenses and waiting to get my residency permit in hand. (1st time short term tourist) It was issued for 11 months, instead of 12 I applied for for some ridiculous reason. (Not important for my question, but whoever cares for the reason: My address is a hotel and the hotel owner wrote me a letter that I stay there and the end date was matched to fit my first appointment, I didnt ask them to re-write it for my second appointment, and even though it is a hotel and I can stay there as a guest how long I like, they just used that stupid date and gave me one months less on my residency permit.) Now I am thinking about going to another province ... I called 157 to ask what I need to do to notify them of my changed address should I go to another province. They told me I would have to make a completely new first time residency permit application!! Like start from 0 again. No way this can't be true I am thinking and I don't really feel like doing this .. I am a very experienced expat and in all countries I lived in I made sure to comply with all immigration rules, but this is so ridiculous that I am thinking to simply ignore this ... there is no way I am going to do this all over again ... sorry .. besides .. I am not even sure how long I will stay at a single address ... I might be moving around every couple of weeks .. They told me I have 20 days from moving to making a new application. What if I am not even staying 20 days at the same hotel or rental?
  10. Hi all, My husband and I are considering a move to Turkey from UK, London. The idea is to give our son who is 8 months old now a chance to be brought up in a quieter, more peaceful and less stressful life, and for us of course. we are planning to make this move hopefully in a couple of years. I'm a doctor, psychiatrist who qualified in Egypt (my home country) and trained in the UK. My husband is an English native with Turkish Cypriot heritage. He works as a career advisor and apprenticeship consultant which he can't do in Turkey. He also has an experience in teaching and is planning to take CELTA so he can teach English. He has a University degree but we still don't know what are his chances with jobs and income. I'm not sure what are my chances in practicing medicine in Turkey either. we are planning on learning Turkish before moving. Many of my husband's family can speak Turkish so hopefully that will help us with our learning. We are looking into buying our own property to save on rent and have some stability. I have been checking prices and Antalya seems to be offering reasonable prices. Most properties seem to be in compounds with an urban style which is not what we have in mind. We are hoping to find a 2-3 bedroom villa or penthouse in a rural ish area. I think because we need to be in a place where there are jobs for my husband and hopefully myself as well as having that peaceful rural life. We are happy to be in areas where there is less western influence. We we also have 5 cats who are an integral part of our family. Any ideas how much it costs to take them all and if they will have to be put in a quarantine for 6 months ? This quarantine idea is horrifying for us let alone putting them in boxes with the cargo ! I would be very grateful if anyone has any tips or advice for us to help with the planning process. Hopefully meet with some of you in flesh in a couple of years.
  11. My name is Louisa, I'm 21 from England and will be moving to Istanbul this September for a year abroad studying at Bogazici University as part of my degree. I am hugely looking forward to it but have a few questions about housing at the moment. I am familiar with Turkey, I travel there a lot with my boyfriend (who is Turkish) yet we've only ever been to Istanbul a couple of times as tourists. I will be moving with my boyfriend and we will be living together which is helpful as my Turkish is progressing but nowhere near as good enough to negotiate rental contracts at the moment! We've decided we would like a little flat together, studio would be fine, but are confused about where's best. I've had a look online around Bogazici area but finding it is quite expensive. Are we foolish for looking to find somewhere along the 1500-2000tl mark relatively close to the uni? I've heard that a popular student place is Rumeli Hisarustu? Any ideas of prices or a site I can look for student housing? Does anyone know of any other places that might be good to look at. Or if public transport is good enough to live a bit further away. We're planning on having a trip to Istanbul around April time to have a good look around but I'd like to get a few ideas in my head. My boyfriend is looking to move in around summer time to find a job and get settled ready for my arrival. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
  12. Hello, I am thinking about moving to turkey but I am not able to find governmental universities in social sciences bachelor programs in English, and i did find private universities but those are so expensive, i was wondering if anyone has any tips for me on how to get into universities. I would also like some opinion about the work circumstances in turkey, i speak four languages ( Farsi, Dutch, English, Turkish), I do speak Turkish on a B2/C1 scale although I am not a Turk. another thing that I was wondering is the beginner salaries and work circumstances, as if I move I have to provide for myself and live independently. is it difficult to live on your own in turkey as a 20 year old girl ( in big cities, like Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir, Antalya) ? I am aware of the culture and most of the traditions but in real life it is different, is the society used to young girls living on their own or do people look at it in a different way? hope to be able to get some help from you guys Thank you
  13. Hello, I am new to the site. I have accepted a teaching post in Bursa and will be moving to Turkey the first of August. I am trying to plan a budget and determine costs to get moved and set-up in new place. Some things I have been able to find out through research on various sites and search engines but I still have some questions. So, here they are. 1. Typically, for rentals what deposits are required? First, last or both? Damage deposit? 2. What deposits are required for utilities and are they applied for separately or together - like water/sewage/trash and electricity. 3. Is it hard to find rentals that accept small dogs (2 dachshunds under 20 lbs.) 4. Do most ex-pats get health insurance apart from what is offered through Turkish government? 5. For U. S. ex-pats - have any of you used U. S. Global Mail for mail/package services? How do you like it? 6. How good is internet service? Is it good enough to stream movies or Skype with folks back home? How about downloading e-books? 7. Is there anyone out there who lives and works in Bursa? I have sent out some posts on other sites but have gotten no response. 8. What about phone services? I have a cell phone now. Should I bring it with me and get a service in Bursa? I think that is all of the general questions for now. I do have some questions regarding teaching so if anyone has experience in that area please respond. Thank!
  14. I will be getting married (to a man who is a Turkish citizen) and moving my daughter and I to Mersin Turkey. I am looking for any suggestions or advise as it pertains to education. My daughter will be 8 years old and I am researching schools in Mersin. Does anyone have any suggestions that could help in my search? I have already been to Turkey and done some research while I was there. Both my daughter and I are currently only English speaking. Thanks!
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