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  1. Hello, I am 25 years old. My Turkish is zero. I have a dual citizenship I live in Saudi Arabia as a Chadian citizen, and my sponsor is my father. My father took me to the Turkish consulate, they said I am not qualified to apply because I am not out of my father iqama (resident ship), and also I heard I cannot apply unless I live in Saudi Arabia as a Turkish citizen not Chadian also I plan to come to Turkey to apply and study, but I am afraid I am going to have a problem with military. Please can someone help me with this? Thank you in advance.
  2. Turkish males age 20 to 41 must serve in the Turkish military. If you're a male considering becoming a Turkish citizen or seeking citizenship for your male children, you should take this into account. If You Have a Turkish Mother or Father If you have a Turkish mother or father, the Turkish government considers you to be a Turkish citizen from birth, and you'll be required to serve in the military unless you can legally avoid it. If You Don't Have a Turkish Mother or Father If you don't have a Turkish mother or father and are over age 24 and become a naturalized citizen-that is, by choice, you won't be required to serve in the military. How the Turkish Military Conscription Cycle Works The call-up for military service registration occurs when a Turkish male reaches age 19. Their actual service begins at age 20. Turkish military conscription (draft) generally works with age groups. Here's an example of how it works in a typical year: In July, male Turks born anytime during the year which is 19 years previous are required to apply for military service (in 2021, for example, that birth year was 2002), While applying, the recruits can choose what capacity they want to serve in, such as officer, non-commissioned officer, or private. Anyone who doesn't meet the requirements to be an officer or non-commissioned officer will serve as a private. The recruits may also submit reasons for a postponement of their service, or to be excused from service because of a medical condition. In September, the applications are evaluated, reasons for postponement or excusal from service are considered, and assignments are made. In January of the following year, the first orders to report are sent out. In March of the following year, the first recruits report for duty. Typically the orders are sent out two months in advance of the start date of their training. How Your Education Level Can Affect Your Service If you don't have at least a four-year university degree, you'll serve 12 months as a private. If you have a four-year university degree or higher, you can serve 12 months as an officer, or six months as a private. Reducing or Avoiding Military Service Your Age at the Time of Naturalized Citizenship If you don't have a Turkish mother or father, are over 24 years old, and became a naturalized Turkish citizen after age 24 by choice, by marriage, or by investment, you won't be expected to serve in the Turkish military. This opportunity to avoid military service doesn't exist if you have a Turkish mother or father. If you have a Turkish mother or father, you're legally a Turkish citizen from the day of your birth. So you'll have the military service requirement no matter what. Veterans of the Armed Forces of Other Countries If you've already served in your home country's military, whether it was compulsory or voluntary, you probably won't have to serve again in the Turkish military. Turkey has agreements with many countries stating that if a person has already done military service in one country, and then becomes a citizen of the other, they don't have to serve in the military a second time. This also applies to those who've paid, in their home country, to forego military service. You would just need to have a document which certifies your military obligation, in your home country, has been fulfilled. Postponing Military Service Educational Reasons If you're in high school or have graduated, you can postpone your military service until age 22. If you're in or have graduated from a vocational and technical high school, you can postpone your military service until age 25. If you're a university student, you can postpone your military service until age 28. If you are still in a university at age 28, you'll be required to take a break from your studies and perform your military service. Then after that, you can return to the university. If you've completed your four-year university education and are working on a master's degree, you can postpone your military service for one year. Medical Reasons If you have a temporary medical condition, you can postpone your service until you are well enough and fit enough to perform it. The Askerlik Bedeli: Paying Money to Shorten Your Military Service From time to time, the Turkish government allows some who are obliged to serve in the military to pay a bedel (payment) to have their military service time shortened. They offer this paid opt-out to keep the civilian workforce healthy for economic growth. But it is always subject to the requirements of the military. Those who pay the Bedel attend 30 days of training, which fulfills their military commitment. In 2018, potential recruits born before 1 January 1994 were allowed to pay a bedel of 31,000 TL to have their military service time shortened to a training course of 21 days. After reporting for duty, their training focused on the basics of soldiering, including military customs and courtesies, marching, physical training, and marksmanship. While there have been discussions about making the Askerlik Bedeli permanent, as of this writing, it isn't. It will only be available on a year-to-year basis according to the needs of the government. Contacting the Turkish Recruitment Office You should always clarify your personal situation with the Turkish military directly. There are two ways to do this: Contact the Askerlama Genel Müdürlüğü (General Directorate of Recruitment), at https://asal.msb.gov.tr/. Go to, call, or e-mail the Askerlik Şubesi (Military Local Office) responsible for the area where you live. You can find a list of these offices, which includes their contact information, at https://asal.msb.gov.tr/Askeralma/AsalIletisim. References Law Number 7179, Article 43, as of June 26th, 2019. Consultation with Ender Keleş, Attorney at Law and Managing Partner of E&G Legal, August 22nd, 2019. If you would like to contact Mr. Keleş, you can do so through his website at www.eglegal.net. Turkish Citizenship Law Turkish Citizenship Law is the Turkish Nationality Act No. 5901 as amended. Assistance and Support Milli Savunma Bakanlığı Askerlama Genel Müdürlüğü Bedelli Askerlık: The Turkish military information page about making a payment and doing a shortened term of service. The Nüfus: handles citizenship applications made within Turkey. You can call their national helpline from any telephone in Turkey, at 150. Their international number is +90 312 591 2133 or 2389. It has an English option. For citizenship applications made outside of Turkey, contact your local Turkish embassy or consulate. Turkish Citizenship Forum: If you have a question about Turkish citizenship, search our citizenship forum to see if it's already been answered. If it hasn't, feel free to open a new topic. Ken Grubb As a special investigator for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and teacher for the University of Maryland, Ken Grubb has lived and worked in Turkey since 1997. He's now retired and living in Antalya, where he researches and writes guides to help others live skillfully in Turkey.
  3. Wish I had found this site earlier. Found it while looking for Disko Hit. I was stationed in Izmir 1972-1974 in the Army, in the JSSG. I worked in the telephone central offices at Landsoutheast HQ and Disko Hit. Cant remember if I worked at Sirinyer in that time. Got to be kind of a blur. Other than a fishing trip to Lake Van and a visit to Sardis, I didn''t get far from Izmir. Did spend a lot of time at the NATO Rod and Gun Club and hunting in the area. Saw and did a lot of things there. Two years of my life I value very highly. I loved the people and the country. Worked with some interesting people. Hard to find the quality of people you had in the military on the outside. Ataturk scratched my heel while I was there. I had the fiercest and strangest cat in all of Turkey. However, I sincerely doubt I will fulfill that legend. There was a legend Ataturk would scratch the heel of the next great ruler in Turkey. This was supposed to be the reason so many Turkish guys wore their shoes with the heels scrunched down, like sandals. Or something like that. :-)I hope to post on the Izmir forum in the near future. Can't believe how big that city has grown.
  4. Hey there my name is Hakan from Melbourne, Australia. I was born in Turkey and raised in Australia. I don't have a citizenship or passport from Turkey but since I was born there I am eligible for one. Moving to Turkey from Australia has been on my mind a lot lately. About the 21 day military service after I pay the exemption fee. What's it like? How was your experience? If you haven't been has a friend of yours? Thanks for reading. - Hakan .
  5. My friend, who is a dual citizen, postponed his military till 38 years old. He wants to come to Turkey to live for 1 or 2 years during this time, he is 29 now. Does anyone know what is the penalty for living in Turkey for 1-2 years while on postponement? I read that you can only stay in Turkey for 184 days per year or you risk having your postponement cancelled. Will he have to pay a fine when he tries to leave? sent to military? etc? Thanks in advance for anyones help on this matter.
  6. Hello, Just wanted to query if you have served a few months in the Turkish army and half way through the service you have the 15,000TL, is it possible to pay to come out of the army? Or once your in you have to stay for the full service? Also, does every soldier carry an army ID card with them? Appreciate everyones comments. many thanks
  7. Hello, Hope someone can help. My boyfriend is currently in the army he said that you can offer to pay bail out to have a months leave off out of the 12 months he is serving for a price of 3,000TL. Is this possible or is he lying? Also, are you allowed to secretly use your mobile phones? Many thanks in advance all comments appreciated.
  8. Hello everyone. My husband is in the Air Force and just received orders to go to Izmir. I see that there have been a few other posts like this but they it looked like they were a few years old. I wanted to see what all you guys could tell me about having an assignment in Izmir; things to bring, housing, car info, etc. My husband is thinking about tradeing in one of our vehicles, before he goes, for a Jetta TDI that has a diesel engine. One of our questions is do they have diesel readily available at the gas stations over there? Another big question is how hard is it to find housing there? Are the prices reasonable? Our plan is not to really bring a lot with us except for a laptop maybe. Is there anything that we need to bring that we can't get over there? Also, does anyone have any information on whether or not spouses can accompany the military members to Izmir? Thank you in advance for your help! Ali
  9. Hi, I'm an US Army retiree with a valid retiree ID card. I'll be arriving at Izmir tomorrow and want to make a quick stop at the shoppette or the exchange for some Newports ( I don't exactly know where I need to go to shop). Do I need a special permit? If so, where can I obtain it? Thanks in advance for your replies.
  10. I've met this guy through online dating app. He was a soldier. I'm a newbie professor living in the Philippines.. He was 23 and I'm 19. Now...he say he can't go to my country because turkey soldiers were banned to travel abroad since last year. Should i trust him on that? Coz i searched about turkey soldiers being banned to travel abroad....and i cant find similar to that...so...i made a fake account and add his soldier friends and other relatives. Then i asked them if its true then i got a positive reply...soldiers are banned to travel in other countries ...but i want more clarifications and advice... He say that he will buy me ticket so i can visit him in turkey. I told him that i can't go there just alone...so we agreed that i will visit him with mom. And mom's traveling cost will be my own expenses. He will buy a ticket just for me. I ask him if i can meet his family he say it must be good if we go to Cappadocia first. Hmm. Really i was suspecting him ..i don't know please help me...i also don't know what to ask here or to say ... Thanks in advance.
  11. Merhaba everyone, my fiancé was in ibstabal army for a months, I just don't know what he doing out there. We only together 5 month but we just engaged. So he have to go army for 12 month then this 25 September he have to go Hakkari çukurca. He was apply for chief cooking but he didn't do anything at army all he traning is gun, carry 30kg bag, run for 30 miles so he doing mountain training.. I was quite confused, if anyone been through like that or anything you know who have been Hakkari çukurca. I thought he doing traning for 12 month. But he told me he traning 1 or 2 month then staight away to war? He only 21... with ppk Kurdish.. I am not sure if that true.. I been spoken to my mother about that as she told me not worry he only traning in boot camp not front line of war I was like okay, but he told me he going to war.. :L Everyday I am worried of him everyday. I am going see him next Friday for 10 day spend time then won't able see him for 10 month. i just don't know what to do... many thanks
  12. Hello all! I was wondering if someone could lend me some advice regarding the Turkish national service. My boyfriend has said that he will be starting his 1 year service this coming January. He has already told me that for the first few weeks/month there will be little or no contact at all, but after this time he will be able to contact me for short periods of time. He also said that after May he will be able to take two weeks leave so that I can travel to Turkey and spend time with him during his leave. I am aware that it is going to be very difficult without contact as we talk all the time, and I am going to miss him very much. But I was wondering if someone has been through this experience and can advice me what it is going to be like for him, can he take his two week leave and if he will be able to contact me during the time? Also, does he get any sort of income while doing his service? Thank you in advance, Jessie
  13. Are there any vacant jobs in Antalya with me having a American retired military background I've been searching the web but can't find anything
  14. Hi im new here!!! Opps!! Sorry to interrupt you guys.. somehow having problems with my turk bf.. Can anyone help me please regarding passport issue in turkey... he wants to visit me.. but he has no passport. .. ive read some forums some says its easy some says its difficult... and im so confused! if money matters i guess its easy for him to have it... Please help me... thanks guys...
  15. Hello I am a dual turkish- british citizen and am thinking about completing my military service as a reserve officer, i have a BA degree in political science from a british university and my turkish is ok. i am also a qualified english teacher with 3 years teaching experience. does anyone have any information about being selected as a reserve officer, the training, the treatment, specific job in army according to skills and qualifications? any information would be useful. thanks
  16. Hello I will be retiring in turkey and moving to Antalya with my family and my spouse is a from Antalya, where is the nearest VA office where I can check in and give them my documents? And is there anything I need to know before I get there, like what I need to do
  17. Hi my fiancée and I have been together for 4 years. He's turkish and I'm British and he's coming 21 years of age. He has delayed the army for a few years due to his mums health and is due to go in, in 2017. We're quite happy to do this however, several of his family members have said if I got a lawyer on the English side he will have a chance to come into the country before he does his army service and we would be able to buy out of it after 3 years... Does anyone know the possibility or risks of this? Before we pay out for help and end up with nothing. This would be so much better for us if possible as my father is ill and it would be a chance to get to know each other before he passes and also be able to start a family. If not we will continue on with our original plan.
  18. I am a US citizen and my fiance and I are in the process of trying to get him a K1 fiance visa so he can move to the US. He is 20 years old. I know one of the ways to get out of the military requirement is to pay to not go. His family has paid for all the other males in the family and are going to pay for him too. The thing is, he isnt supposed to go to the military yet since he is enrolled in University. Since he is enrolled in University, the day they call him is probably like 5 years away maybe 6. Will they let him come to the US even though he hasn't completed his requirement or paid to not go?
  19. Hi everyone, I'm new to turkey central and I really hope someone can give me some advice. I have been with my boyfriend for a year and 3 months, its been a great year we have met each others familes he was getting on great at uni and things were going perfect. However, he has since dropped out of uni and started his national service last week. I haven't heard from him since then and I'm desperate to know when he can call or use the internet? I have tried to ask his family but the language barrier is making it very difficult. Can someone please let me know if they can call during the first 3 months of training? And how often? I haven't gone a day without talking to him before so its really getting me down and I worry about our relationship if we can't talk for 3 months! Plleeeease someone help! Thank you
  20. Fantastic site and wisdom in the postings. It is great to have found and this problem i feel crosses many more ages than just those under 29. I have a question about military service, etc. in the Turkish army. If someone has been in the military for years, I believe as a career, is older, as in 55 years old; is it feasible or possible or any type of truth to the fact, that if they have violated some military rule (i don't know what else to call it other than a rule) - is it possible that this person could be thrown into jail and maybe in jail for life. And I believe they were only guilty of talking to someone on social media when they were in a military camp. How serious would the breaking of this rule be with the Turkish army, or maybe it is not even a problem at all. I am not accustomed to the army in Turkey and am more familiar with USA and Canadian military where such things would not happen. However, neither one of the North American countries has a forced military service either. Another question related to the previous concern. If someone did have to deal with such an issue, would they be required to hire a lawyer to help them in such an action. Thank you to any and all for assistance on this.
  21. The battle of Gallipoli was one of the bloodiest battles of WWI, fought on Turkish soil, with the Turks defending their homeland. It was not just a turning point of the war, but a turning point of the world. It lasted from 25 April 1915 to 9 January 1916. This battle formed the basis for the Turkish war of independence, then later, the establishment of the Republic of Turkey under Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, who first rose to prominence as a general during this battle. It also marked the birth of the national consciousness of Australia and New Zealand, since the ANZACs (Australia New Zealand Army Corps) shouldered a major part of the battle. Over 100,000 men died in this battle. Turkish losses were estimated to be between 56,000 to 68,000. Allied losses were estimated to be around 53,000. It was a disaster for the allies. After their defeat, then Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill, resigned in disgrace, picked up a rifle, and went to fight as a soldier on the European front. April 25th is now called "ANZAC Day" in memory of the ANZAC soldiers who died trying to take Gallipoli. It is a time of pilgrimage for Australians and New Zealanders to come to Turkey and see the battlefields, and to meet the Turks, and experience their hospitality. If you know anything about the Battle of Gallipoli, this might bring a tear to your eye.
  22. Here is the latest information regarding access to Incirlik Air Base for medical care for US military retirees. The 39th Medical Group offers space-available medical care and pharmacy services to US military retirees and their dependents as always, but only on Tuesdays and Thursdays. You will need to arrange an escort from the main gate to the hospital. To do so, call the patient liaison at 0322 316 3373 to arrange a gate pass. The patient liaisons will then submit the paperwork for the gate pass. Because of the recent changes to the base access policy, you must be escorted from the main gate to your appointment, and back to the main gate. Unfortunately you will not be allowed to use anything else on the base such as the BX and commissary. Make sure you are registered with the Tricare representative at the hospital, with a valid address and telephone number so you can be updated on any further changes to the policy. Military retirees can still, of course, access medical care atht eh Acibadem and Medline hospitals and clinics, which are in the TRICARE network. You can also access International SOS at (44)20-8762-8384 (toll free 008008829200) or visit www.tricare-overseas.com for additional information.
  23. I've just been alerted that the status of forces agreement between the Turkish government and the US military in Turkey has changed. US military retirees now have BX and Commissary privileges. I have verified this with a contact at Incirlik Air Base.
  24. Hi everyone out there! I am Norwegian and my boyfriend, Mahmut, is Turkish. We have been together for a while now, and he is now in the army to do his time. He has been there now for 4 months and have left 8 months. I've come here because I was hoping if there is anyone that has been in a similar situation that could maybe help me with some advice and support on how to still keep my head up and basically hang on, because right now I am at a breaking point. The thing is that in April he was supposed to get a vacation time where we finally were gonna see each other again, and it's also our anniversary. This is something we have been counting down for and been excited about for a very long time. The problem now is that he told me today that when he gets his vacation time he has to work, and because of that there is no point in me going there when I won't get to see him during that time. He knows how upsetting that makes me, but then again I understand some what why he has to work. We are used to being 1 month apart where I go back to Norway, and after 1 month I get to see him again. So being away from him this long is really hard and I have never been through this before so I don't know how, or how to think, to be able to still keep my head up and hang on at this point. Many tell me to keep myself occupied and do activities at all times to make time go by faster, but my problem is that I am unemployed right now and struggling to get a job, and my life is not exactly exciting. I know that I don't want to give up on our relationship and I am trying so hard to keep it all together, but right now, after he told me he can't be able meet me in April, I have a hard time accepting the fact I have to wait until he's finished until I get to see him. I know I should not be complaining about this, and that there is people out there that don't get to see their loved ones for years, and it also might sound very selfish to some people. But like I said I have never been in this type of relation ship and I don't know how to keep myself both physically and mentally "stable" for this situation, and that's where I need some help. Thank you and I appreciate that you are taking your time for this!!
  25. Hi, I'm new on this site and have 2 questions that have been bothering me for a longtime. I have been trying to get info on the paid (dovizli) military service. I was born in Istanbul and been living in NY for 19 years now, I am 32 years old, Turkish and US citizen, and also have delayed my army service until age of 38. I called the NY consulate many times trying to understand dovizli service but the consulate people don't speak or understand English too well and wanted to see if anyone here can help. I know that there is a new law that passed for bedelli military service for 18,000 lira and expires in 13 February but I am more interested in other, dovizli askerlik, which if I understand it right, is 6,000 euro and can be paid in 4 payments. My questions is, if I do this dovizli service do I still have to serve 21 days in the army? There has been so many changes to this law that I don't know if you have to serve anymore, I also know that the payment went down from 10,000 euro. My second question is about the reporting of dual citizenship to Turkish consulate. I believe that my mom and I have done this about 5 years ago when we applied for new nufus cuzdani. Does reporting dual citizenship (US-Turkish) make me loose any benefits in Turkey, such as social security or health insurance (saglik sigorta)? I am asking these questions because I am planning to move back to Turkey Thank you for any help Maykil
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