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Ken Grubb

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  1. Does the PDF document contain your tax number?

    Yes it is normal. You just need your passport number. Since the tax number is based on your passport number, the government already has your other identification information and your photo. Then later you'll get your residence permit which will have your foreign identification number printed on it. That will also be attached to your passport as well, so you can use your foreigner identification instead of your tax number once you get it.

  2. I haven't bought them before, but not knowing exactly what you need to know, the Turkish government-owned banks are probably the safest bet. The latest info I saw was from 2020 showing the government-owned banks:

    • Ziraat Bankasi
    • Ziraat Katilim Bankasi
    • Vakifbank
    • Vakif Katilim Bankasi
    • Halk Bankasi
    • Iller Bankasi
    • Turk Eximbank
    • Turkiye Katilim Bankasi
    • Birlesik Fon Bankasi
    • Adabank

    The main ones you'll probably be interested in are Ziraat Bank, Vakıf Bank, and Halk Bank. Do a search for them in English (using "bank" instead of "bankası" and you 'll find the English pages).

    Here is Ziraat Banks's investment page that has English information about buying treasury bills.

    Ziraat Bank Investment Page

    You can buy them at the bank, online, or even using a bank machine (I'm not sure how that works!).

  3. I don't think it will be a problem. Normally they ask for utility bills only if there is some doubt. Personally I have never been asked for one. The contract was enough. 

    Just in case though, perhaps you should take the utility bills, and the notarized copy of your contract anyway. At least the could see that your friend (who is on the contract with you) has the bills in their name. And since they are on the contract with you, it would make sense that the contract is a valid one and that you really are living there.

    And that's only if they ask for the utility bill in the first place.

  4. Brian, I doubt any repository of marriage records would release such a document or information to anyone other than the person the record pertained to (and then only with identification).

    it seems to me that your best bet is to connect with the hotel again. Ask to speak to the general manager if necessary. They would be the only ones who might have an actual name and address, and contact info for the person whose name is inscribed on that ring.

    I must say here that I salute you for your sense of duty to do the right thing. We need more people like you in this world.

  5. Most of the residence permit assistance companies in Turkey operate locally. That is, they help people who are in the city or town where the customer is. But Turkey Permit does it nationally. So where the local city and town companies can have you come to their office and meet with you personally, we can't. We do it virtually. With WhatsApp, Skype, online with personal conversations. Also, in our first consultation, we determine what you need and send you info brochures according to what you need, exactly. And also answer questions, live, as you go through the process.

    We stay with you from the online application until you have your residence permit in your hand.

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    I am wondering if this is possible or do we all need to travel at once. I am from Australia and my husband is from Pakistan. 

    Yes it is okay. You could do either one, either travel all at once or separately. It won't make any difference.


    I'm also.wondering since the situation seems less than straightforward, would I be better paying someone to assist with the process on arrival in Turkey. We would need to apply fairly quickly as my husband will only be granted a 30 day visa I am told. 

    Turkey Central also has a site called "Turkey Permit" where you can have someone do your residence permit application for you.

    We can also arrange the required health insurance, get you a tax number, and make the residence permit fee payments for you. We also have plenty of informative brochures for you depending on what you need. And live support as you gather your documents. We'll walk you through it all step-by-step. And we can give you a discount since you're two people together.

    When you're in Turkey and ready, you can make the inquiry here:



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    Would working online (remote working) for clients outside Turkey constitute illegal work?


    No. I verified this by calling the ministry of family, labor, and social security and asking them. If you're not doing business directly with Turkish people or companies, not taking money from them and not creating invoices, you are not considered to be "working in Turkey" and you don't need a work permit.

    I also asked an immigration specialist about this. One who actually does the interviews. He said that they are actually not concerned about working status. That this is the responsibility of the Ministry of Family, Labor, and Social Security.

    However, if there is an interview, they always ask "do you plan to work?" In this case, you should be completely okay in saying that you work online. And you could use it to demonstrate income.

  8. It's pretty much that way here, although with different fees, probably. I've gotten books and clothing delivered to my door with no customs fees.

    Regarding things getting lost, if I use the regular mail, things do sometimes get lost. So I use taahhütlü posta (Registered Mail" which has tracking by bar code. I haven't lost anything using a commercial cargo company.

    I also have a post office box. It can only be used for regular mail (no cargo shipping companies) but at least that way I know the mail will be kept in a box at the post office and not left on a table or on top of the mailboxes in my apartment lobby (which they usually do).


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    Presumably one can apply for a permit from a hotel and then 3 months down the line say, rent a house/appartment and notify the authorities of a change of address? We would then be able to apply for an extension on that basis after our one year 'tourist' permit had expired?

    I spoke to an immigration specialist about this personally. Here's how it goes.

    Let's say you want to move to Turkey. You get a tourist visa and stay at a hotel. You can then apply for a residence permit, while still in the hotel. You can actually apply for a two-year tourist category residence permit while at the hotel, even though you haven't found a place to live yet.

    And while still in the hotel, you can go to your appointment and be given a one or two year residence permit. You must have a letter from the hotel management, on hotel letterhead, which is stamped and signed (or digitally signed) by the management.

    Once you find a place to rent or buy, and move it, you must change your address. You can do this by going back to the immigration office to change it.

    If you buy a property, there is no need to change the category from "touristic" to "property owner." you can simply change the category when you extend it. Both categories are short-term residence permits. So no need to make any changes from one category to the other when you move in.

    Of course if you're renting, you'll still be in the "touristic" category.

    This section from the main article on addresses should explain the process:


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    Some sources seem to suggest that an applicant for a short-term visa need to be able to show something like 500$ per month in their bank account which would amount to 6000$ for a year.

    That is really old information. The way they do it now, the look at what the person has, and talk to them about their lifestyle habits to see if they can live on their own for the duration of the residence permit. The main thing they're concerned about is making sure the foreigner won't work illegally. So somebody could have far less, but live a much more inexpensive lifestyle, and still get a residence permit. I verified this in person in an interview with an immigration specialist.

    Your friend will have to declare how much money they will have to live on, by month, when they register online. I have heard of cases where, during the interview, the immigration specialist didn't ask for any proof of income. But in my case for example, even though I'm well established financially and retired, they still ask me for a printout of the last six months of my banking activity. So what happens during the interview varies.

    Getting a residence permit is a serious thing, and I never want to give any advice that might result in a rejection. So if I were you, I'd call the helpine at 157 and ask them. 

    I think there may be a problem if your friend declares, online, zero finances! So it may be that they will have to declare a certain amount of income per month, even if it is provided by you. Then, during the interview, tell them about the situation.

    The immigration specialists aren't there to filter people out, they just want to be sure foreigners getting residence permits will abide by the rules and not work illegally.

    Anyway call the 157 helpline and ask them. There is an English option, and they are very helpful.  It's better that you get such information directly from them than from any online source.

    After you talk to them, would you please come back to this topic and let us know what they said? It will help all of us to learn.

  11. I was thinking the same thing. It's probably even more complex in the USA. And they want to make sure the foreigner has a strong reason to return to their country after their visa is finished. They don't go that far with it in Turkey.

    We had an example here recently. A foreigner wanted a family member to use their address when they applied for a residence permit. They went to the notary and had the taahhütname made. The family member collected the other documents they needed and went to their appointment. The immigration specialist didn't even need to see the foreigner whose house they would be staying at. They just wanted to see the taahhütname.

  12. Yes you can do that. I know of Brits who have sponsored other Brits who have stayed at their house. So it should work for other nationalities as well. It seems to me the main thing they want is to be sure of the foreigner's address. And be sure the visitor won't just come to Turkey, rack up a bunch of bills, and leave.

    I have never seen anything that indicates that the national origin of the host, or the guest, makes any difference.

  13. OK let me clear this up...What Göreme said is correct, except that you can get a residence permit for up to two years, not one year. That said...

    You can use a hotel, and even a series of hotels, to get a residence permit and travel around Turkey beyond what your visa allows.

    As I understand it, in many Asian countries, you can get a visa and keep extending it. This is not the case in Turkey. Theree are no visa extensions here. But the system works in much the same way.

    So here is what you must do:

    1. Come to Turkey with your visa. And stay in a proper hotel.

    2. While in the hotel, apply for a residence permit online. You can do so at https://e-ikamet.goc.gov.tr/.  When you do that you'll register your address at the hotel. All addresses, even down to individual hotel rooms, are available for choosing on that site. 

    3. At the end of your online residence permit registration, you'll download a document called an İkamet İzni Kayıt Formu (Residence Permit Registration Form). During the online registration process you'll choose a date for an interview at the immigration office. And that appointment date and time, and the location of the immigration office, will be on that form.

    4. Create an itinerary of where you intend to go.

    5. Get a letter from hotel management, on hotel letterhead, saying that you are using that hotel as your address.

    6. Go to the appointment and show the itinerary to the immigration specialist. Your itinerary can include multiple provinces, cities, and places you want to see. If there are any issues, the immigration specialist will tell you what they need and you can either correct them on the spot or come back later, depending on what the immigration specialist says.

    You don't need to pay for any hotels in advance. You just need to have an acceptable itinerary.

    The immigration specialist will then approve you for a residence permit in Turkey under the "tourism" category for however long you need it.

    I personally went to the Antalya immigration office and interviewed an immigration specialist about this. The above is what they told me.

  14. It was banned and I haven't heard of anything in Turkey which can do what PayPal does. I'm wondering if the Turkish government didn't like it since it could be used to make payments the government couldn't trace.

    Just to clarify, even though PayPal was banned in Turkey, you can still use it as long as PayPal doesn't detect a login from Turkey or anything having to do with a sender or recipient in Turkey.

    If you go to PayPal from an IP address in Turkey, PayPal will place a cookie on your computer which will signal PayPal you're in Turkey and block your entry into the website no matter what you do after that. So you must remove that PayPal cookie first.

    Then you can use a VPN or proxy with an IP address outside of Turkey to enter the PayPal website and your account. As long neither the sender nor receiver are in Turkey, you can send and receive money.

    I was able to pay one of my bills last week using that technique with PayPal.

    Regarding the address, for the account I used (in the US), it did have me listed at a US address.

  15. Is she a Turkish citizen? If so normally she would be covered by the Sosyal Güvenlik Kurumu (SGK, or Social Security Administration), which has a comprehensive national health insurance plan called Genel Sağlık Sigorta (General Health Insurance).

    This plan is normally used by Turkish citizens and it pays for treatment in government hospitals. In private hospitals, it normally pays most of the bill, with any additional costs paid by the patient.

    It is means-adjusted for poor families, so even poor people can use it as long as they pay the premiums.

    I'm not saying that anything is amiss here because I have no idea, but I would ask about that.

    Probably the best hospitals in Turkey are in Istanbul and Ankara.

    I wish I could be of more help. I was admitted to a Turkish hospital, but was covered by private health insurance, so I didn't pay any admission or for the surgery or hospital room. So I also couldn't make any comment on the cost... Any chance of calling the hospital directly to see if she is there? Or to be transferred to her room and speak to her? At least in that way you could see if she's really in the hospital.

  16. Try using a VPN with a location which is not Turkey. That might work.

    When I've tried to use PayPal from Turkey, I couldn't even enter the website. But if I used a location outside of Turkey, everything worked. Also, you can list your bank account details with PayPal for a direct withdrawal of the money rather than using a debit card. PayPal will verify it by sending two very small deposits in a day or so, you just go back to PayPal and enter those two amounts to complete the registration. From that point on you can pay directly from your bank account with no card.

    But you have to do all of this from outside of Turkey with the VPN.

    Also you must clear the PayPal cookies from your computer first because it will register you as being in Turkey, and that will cause problems also.

  17. There's a new article on Daily Sabah about expat achievements in 2021. It's here:

    Daily Sabah: Expat Achievements in 2021

    It's great to see us foreigners being recognized for the things we do for Turkey. In that article, one of the prominent expats mentioned is Lisa Morrow.

    Lisa Morrow

    Lisa Morrow is a member of our community. She goes by the name of Goreme1990. I'm grateful whenever she posts here in assistance to others, since she knows more about Turkey and how things work than most anyone I know.

    Lisa's New Book

    Lisa expresses her love for, and knowledge about, Turkey in her books. And she has a new book out. It's called  Longing for Istanbul: The Words I Haven’t Said Yet.

    I've read Lisa's books. What strikes me most about her writing is her ability to tell a captivating story, while weaving into it details about Turkey, Turkish culture, and Turkish history. You get caught up in her story, not realizing that you're also getting an education. Her books are excellent.

    Here are the links for Lisa's books on Amazon.com:

    Longing for Istanbul: The Words I Haven't Said Yet (Lisa's Latest Book)

    Inside Out Istanbul

    Waiting for the Tulips to Bloom

    Exploring Turkish Landscapes: Crossing Inner Boundaries

    Check out Lisa's books. I think you'll enjoy them as much as I have.

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