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Ken Grubb

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  1. It's because border control and the DGMM are not connected. They are two entirely different organizations.As far as the DGMM is concerned, everybody should just stay in the country during the time after their online application and until their appointment. And if you still have a valid visa or residence permit, you can still go and come as much as you want, as long as you're at your appointment on time. Also, there's no way the DGMM is going to start giving out documents which act like visas to anybody and everybody who applies for a residence permit and sets up an appointment. There is no way for them to even know who the person is at the other end of the system. Anyway the DGMM officials aren't going to give anybody anything to leave and enter Turkey, other than the use of the printed application form, until they meet that foreigner, in person, verify who they say they are, etc. Then there's border control. All they know is that your days in Turkey are over the limit, and you're still in Turkey, where you can stay with your application form until your appointment, but for whatever reason you're leaving and want to come back again. And you don't have a valid visa exemption, visa, or a residence permit to re-enter. And for all they know, you may never even come back again. So while it might not be convenient for people in the situation we're discussing here, there is zero incentive for either government agency to change the laws just to make it easier for people to leave and come back with no visa or residence permit. That's my interpretation of it. Yes, of course. You have to pay when you leave, or you will be banned for not paying the fine. In the link you provided, technically, they're right in saying you can't leave Turkey. Nobody should plan or expect any travel during this period, and it is why everyone should apply for a residence permit as soon as they can, so if they have to leave and return they can do so with their still-valid visa, and this situation doesn't happen in the first place. But if you must leave anyway, well, that is what we're talking about. I suggested this since your overstay will probably be over ten days, and if they can see evidence that you've applied for a residence permit and will be returning, they will be far less likely to ban you. The chances of a ban are probably very small, but just in case you should show them that you have applied and will be returning, and that you have an appointment with the DGMM in February. You're not trying to leave or re-enter with the residence permit application form. It is worthless for that anyway. Its only use is, while you are still in Turkey, to show to the police along with your passport to show that you are waiting for an appointment. In no way was it ever meant to serve as a visa or an border entry document of any kind. I'm suggesting you take it with you only to show the border control people that you have an appointment in February. That way, they will be less likely to ban you and you can return. Anyway it looks like you have a good grasp of how it works now. Just leave the country and pay the fine for the overstay, come back and enter with the şartlı giriş belgesi, then go to your appointment in February.
  2. You can't overstay if you have an appointment and you have the application form. You just can't use the application form to re-enter the country. There is no system which tells the Directorate General of Migration Management that you have left the country or returned. You're simply in the system waiting for an appointment, and it will stay that way until you go to your appointment, or miss it. You can always call the helpline at 157 and ask them.
  3. Don't cancel your current application. The application has nothing to do with your visa, and it won't be canceled just because you've left the country. Since your interview is in February, you won't be receiving any SMS messages that you would need to be in Turkey to receive, so you're okay there as well as long as you're back in time to go to your appointment. You can check on your current application when you come back if you want. When you go to the e-ikamet website, there is an option to check on your current application by entering the application number. So you can do that and see that it has been submitted and is pending an appointment. Anyway there is no need to cancel or do anything else as far as your residence permit application is concerned. Just go out of Turkey and return, then go to your appointment as if you had never left. Just to be clear...the şartlı giriş seems to be written assuming that you haven't applied. It is still used even though you have applied. It doesn't mean you have to cancel the first application and make another one. Explain your situation to the immigration officer when you leave. While technically they can issue a ban for 90 days if you have overstayed more than ten days, that doesn't mean they'll give you one. Take your printed application form and the receipts for paying the fees so you can show them that you've applied for a residence permit, and that your application is in progress. If you do that, I see no reason why they would ban you, even if your overstay is more than ten days. Then after you come back, your current application form will still allow you to be in Turkey until your appointment day. There won't be any fine when you return, since you will have already paid it. Regarding the visa, I'm now seeing on the website for the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs that Swedish citizens enter Turkey on a visa exemption, that is, with no visa at all. But the the visa exemption still follows the of 90 in 180 days rule. So please disregard what I said previously about getting a new visa.
  4. If your visa is expired, and you don't yet have the Residence Permit Application Document that you would get at your interview, you have nothing to re-enter the country with. Additionally, you would have to pay a fine for overstaying the visa you entered with. If you decide to leave and return anyway, if your visa is expired, you will need to get another one. Since you have stayed more than the 90 in 180-days allowed on your previous visa, you can't start racking up days on your new one, either, because buying a new visa doesn't re-set the days allowed to zero. So if you get a new visa, and re-enter Turkey, then when you enter, you should be offered a document called a Şartlı Giriş Belgesi, which means "Conditional Entry Document." You'll get it from immigration control. On that document, you will declare that you will apply for a residence permit within ten days. Even if you've already done that, you'll probably still have to fill out that form. One problem is that Turkish airlines will not let you fly to Turkey without a valid visa. Your new one will be valid, but you'll have exceeded the number of days allowed in Turkey on the visa. I haven't called Turkish Airlines to verify this or get the details, so you should call them and explain your situation, that you have overstayed but have already applied for a residence permit, and verify that they will fly you back to Turkey in that situation. And if you do it, please come back and let us know how everything went.
  5. My apologies for my late reply, I was traveling in November and just got back to Antalya. I take it that you have a work permit, and your wife will need a residence permit? You can apply any time within 60 days prior to her visa expiration date. Earlier is better, since if it takes a while to get your residence permit, she may still have time on her visa if she needs to leave and return. For the first year, your wife can apply for a short-term residence permit. For that, she'll need the marriage certificate to use your residence as hers also. It will have to have an apostille, then the apostille and the marriage certificate must be translated by a sworn translator. Then the copy is used for the application. After the first year, she can apply for a family residence permit, with you as the sponsor and her as the family member (family residence permits are issued only after one year of residence in Turkey). She will need the marriage certificate for that, too. To learn how to legalize the marriage certificate with an apostille and have it translated, see Legalizing Foreign Documents in Turkey. When you get the notarized copy of the translation, record the notary's stamp on the back of the document. Then when you need it again, you can go to the notary and have them give you a second copy, so you don't have to go through the whole process again. You'll need a rental contract, then take that to a notary, and get a notarized copy. What they will need is the notarized copy. Sometimes, after you apply online, you can get an appointment in the next few days. I would imagine Çanakkale doesn't have a lot of foreigners, so that might be the case. I think she will have plenty of time. Besides, once she has the online application form printed, that and her passport will keep her legally in Turkey until she gets her residence permit. Also, when the Directorate General of Migration Management gives the printed ID card to the PTT (post office), they will send an SMS to her mobile phone to let her know it's on the way. Also, she will need to be there to sign for it when it is delivered. IbrahimAbi brought up good points... she should be covered by the government SGK program, which is taken care of by the company. She would just need to get a document from the SGK proving coverage. Good point also on the education certificate. When I got my driving license, they just wanted a high school diploma, not transcripts, but the actual diploma. So she should definitely bring that also.
  6. I don't think any one of them is any better than the other... I have lost packages sending them through the mail, but never through any of the cargo companies.
  7. Probably. Since having a credit card essentially involves borrowing money and paying it back, I would think they would want you to have some kind of credit history, or at least a job, some kind of evidence that you will be able to pay the credit card bills.
  8. What is the error? Someone else might have run across it before and can help you if you post the error message. You can call the helpline, at 157 from any telephone in Turkey, and they can help. There is an option for English.
  9. Mr Ender Keleş is the attorney for the Turkey Central community, he's been a member for quite a while and has provided a lot of assistance to TC members. He is the only attorney I refer people to. He has a contact form on the site here: https://www.turkeycentral.com/forms/14-hire-an-english-speaking-turkish-lawyer/ Just let him know what you need and he'll get back with you.
  10. This is just based on my own perceptions. Perhaps others can add more here or point out anything I might have wrong. I think a lot of It would depend on what part of Turkey she's from, and her background. A lot of Turks are quite "modern" and well educated about the world, and would not expect anything different from the way you would treat any other guest. There is one main difference between Turkish and American hospitality which you should probably know about. When Turks have a guest, they go "all out" to make sure all of the guest's needs are met, offering food, coffee, tea, etc. In the USA we would do this during meals, then between meals we might say something like "here is the refrigerator, and the food is here, please help yourself to anything you want!", for Turks this isn't the practice... a Turkish host would more likely get food and bring it to the guest, whether it's asked for or not! Turks tend to smother guests in hospitality--it is part of the culture. Turks also tend to keep asking the guest if everything is okay and if they need or want anything. Whereas Americans are more likely to expect each other to voice any needs or wants they have, without someone else asking. I should mention that even with the Turks, the overwhelming hospitality fades out after you've been there for a while! Regarding the practice of Islam, I don't think you'll find much difference there, except that very few Turks will ever eat pork. And there are degrees in the practice. Some Muslims in Turkey might say they practice Islam but they still eat foods which are forbidden, like shellfish. Some will drink beer, even though all Muslims know it is forbidden. One Turk I knew who was hosted in the USA complained that he couldn't stomach sweet sauces with meat. He hadn't even heard of this before. But he was from a rather traditional place in central Turkey. So it might be a good idea to mention the ingredients of what you intend to cook. A Turk will also be very polite and not want to say anything which might offend or insult, so you should watch for how things are said as well as what is said. As I understand it, this is also common in Asian culture. For example, if you offer only one option they may say yes to it, but if you're paying attention you'll be able to see their heart isn't really in it. But if you also offer another option for something else, or leave a second option open and ask for their opinion, they will choose the other option, or provide another option, which allows them to, indirectly, say "no" to the first option without actually saying "no." As I'm sure you know, Americans are more direct and more likely to say what they think. It's difficult to give any global advice, it really depends on the individual. My recommendation would be to talk to her, and acknowledge that while you may not know the Turkish traditions, your intent is to be the best host you can be and make her feel at home. Ask her how things are done where she is from and how you can make her feel as welcome as possible. Then adjust from there. Don't over-think this too much. My mentioning these things probably magnifies them out of proportion. I think you'll find that everything will go very well and that you'll have a great time together. I hope you'll let us know how things go, I'd be interested to learn your observations as well.
  11. I don't know specifically of a "seasonal work" visa, it's just a regular work visa. Some companies, such as tourism companies, hire seasonal workers during the peak season because of their foreign language skills. Or they hire foreign entertainers to put on shows for tourists, that kind of thing. The work visa is a single-entry visa, for the purpose of work. You apply for one while coordinating with your employer. While your employer applies in Turkey for your work permit, you go to the local Turkish embassy or consulate and present your visa application package. Then the person at the embassy or consulate gives you a registration number, which you send to your employer for them to complete the work permit application. If the work permit is approved, your work visa will also be approved. Then you go to the consulate and pick up your work visa and travel to Turkey. After you arrive you receive your work permit. The work permit will be valid for one year, or until the end of your contract, whichever comes soonest. So the only difference for a seasonal worker would be that their work permit would end as soon as their job ends, and that would probably be at the end of the season. An important note is that a work permit is only good for one employer. If you change jobs or get another job, your new employer will have to apply for a new work permit for you. If you can't find another employer and your work permit is coming to an end, you can apply for a short-term residence permit within 60 days before your work permit expires. Otherwise, when your work permit expires, you will have ten days to leave Turkey. Concerning finding a good employer, you could do some Google searches to see if any former employees have made online complaints about the company you're interested in working for. I've seen comments (positive and negative) about various language schools in sites which specialize in those kinds of jobs, but I haven't seen anything like that for other types of companies. I can suggest one company in Antalya that helps foreigners find jobs and also offers assistance with residence and work permits. Their website is www.residencepermitturkey.com. I say suggestion, not recommendation, since I don't personally know what kind of services they provide or their level of quality. But I do know that they process a LOT of residence permits, and they do provide a service to find work for foreigners. So you might try them.
  12. The father can get a power of attorney in the country where he is. But he would also have to get an apostille, then send you the power of attorney and apostille. Then in Turkey, you would have to get both the power of attorney and the apostille translated into Turkish by a sworn Turkish translator. Once that is done, the power of attorney from the country where your husband is will be a legal power of attorney in Turkey. This article explains how to get an apostille, then how to have a document (in this case the power of attorney) and its apostille translated by a sworn translator.
  13. Great to hear it all finally got there! Thanks for keeping us updated on the progress.
  14. You would need to find an employer in Turkey before anything else. Then after you get hired, your employer would start the process for your work permit. At the same time, you would work with the Turkish embassy or consulate to get a work visa to enter Turkey. Once your work permit and visa is approved, you can enter Turkey with the work permit, go to your job site, get your work permit and start working. Here's an article about finding a job on Turkey. At the bottom are links to employment websites. Finding a Job in Turkey
  15. If it's not in the address database, you should go back to the Directorate General of Migration Management (DGMM) without an appointment to let them know. They are supposed to enter your address info into the system during your residence permit appointment. They should be able to do it on the spot. It may just be that the immigration specialist forgot to enter your address information into the system. If they tell you to go to the Nüfus ve Vatandaşlık İşleri Genel Müdürlüğü (Nüfus), that is the Directorate of Population and Citizenship Affairs. You'll need to make an appointment online first. You can do that here: https://randevu.nvi.gov.tr/ In either or both cases, take your tapu (property title deed) or your rental contract with you. Also your residence permit and your passport in case you need it.
  16. That's good news. Yes, that is fast, maybe being in Ankara had something to do with it. I'm beginning to think that the amount of time left on the foreigner's visa or residence permit has something to do with it. If the immigration official knows that it's only taking a few days for delivery, and the foreigner has more than enough time left on their visa or current residence permit to cover them until it arrives, then there's no need for any documentation to cover you until it's delivered. Whereas in Antalya, for example, it's taking around 40 days to arrive. So if the foreigner may run out of time on their visa or current residence permit, they give the foreigner the Residence Permit Application Document to cover them until their card arrives. Just a theory... Anyway good to hear you were approved, that it's at the PTT, and you can relax now. Congratulations! And thanks for updating us on this.
  17. Did they give you any kind of document at all which shows you have attended your appointment? For example, In Istanbul, they also don't always give the foreigner the normal Residence Permit Application Document. Instead they give them a Turkish document which is half a sheet of A4 paper, which just says they have received the application and will be processing it, and that the foreigner will be notified within 90 days. Did they give you one of those? The processing time varies. I'm in Antalya, and I don't remember how long it took for me to receive the "approved" SMS message, but I had my card delivered in around 40 days.
  18. Lars, I am assuming that you are talking about a full A4 sized document which has the title "Residence Permit Application Document" and has your photo on it. If that is what you have, you are correct. But you must also have the receipts proving payment of the residence permit fees when you return.
  19. Was this in Istanbul? And are you talking about the receipt for the payment of the residence permit application and/or residence permit card? You can just go back, without an appointment, ask to see the immigration specialist who was handling your case and explain the situation. Then whoever it was should give you a residence permit application document, which will serve as your temporary residence permit, or if you are in Istanbul, they may give you a letter saying that your residence permit is being processed. Your receipt is probably in your residence permit application package. Otherwise, as long as you have a valid visa, or residence permit (if this is an extension), you'll be okay with those until you get it straightened out. What would normally happen next is that you'll get an SMS message saying whether or not your application has been approved, then a message from the PTT (post office) saying the have received your card and are in the process of delivering it.
  20. I don't know exactly how the dates will work for you, but if you apply 60 days before your visa expires, there's a good chance you'll be able to attend your appointment before you have to leave, and have as much time as possible left on your visa. At the end of your appointment, they'll give you a Residence Permit Application Document, which serves as a temporary residence permit until you get your card. That keeps you legal in Turkey after your visa expires, and with that you can leave the country for up to 14 days and return, as long as you also have the receipts for the payment of the fees as well. However, if you're in Istanbul, they may just give you a letter which says you have applied, but it isn't a Residence Permit Application Document. Yes. If you still have time left on your visa, you can go and come as much as you want. That's what I was referring to about applying as early as possible, the more time you still have left on your visa the better, because you're covered by your visa if you have to travel before your appointment. To anticipate a question, I'm in Antalya, and when I applied for a residence permit extension recently, I was able to book an appointment in the following week. The only problem might be if you're in Istanbul, where they're a lot more busy, and you may not be able to book an appointment in such a short time. If your visa runs out before your appointment and you have to travel, it's a more complicated hassle than I want to get into here. You have to apply at the DGMM office where you are going to live. And, according to a conversation I recently had with the DGMM office in Antalya, you can't change your address until after you receive your residence permit card. The firms I know of don't get any preferential service. The DGMM is in no way connected to any of these private companies. Good catch, Redders... I met the owner of the company who runs that website earlier this year. Apparently they process a huge number of residence permits every month here in Antalya. I had also seen this on their price list and asked him about it. Apparently, what they're doing is charging a "flat price" for the service. It's not the actual prices which are charged by the government or the insurance company, it's what you pay them. My impression was that they did this to keep things simple, because the residence permit fee varies according to nationality and exchange rates, and the insurance cost varies according to age, and it is less confusing to just have one fixed number.
  21. I don't know. I talked to someone who handles residence permits for foreigners and they weren't sure. I don't know anybody who has tried it. I heard from someone recently that they are planning to allow people to apply for residence permits from other countries, so maybe they have implemented that. You can always try it and see. If it works, please let us know!
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