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Ken Grubb

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  1. I wish I could give you a time frame, but it depends on too many things. In the past, in Antalya, I've gotten an appointment just a few days later, while completing my application. In Istanbul, though, it can take a lot longer, weeks or months. After the appointment, by law, you should have the decision in 60 days. The last time I did it it took maybe 40 days. I'm certainly not recommending you overstay, but for overstays of up to ten days, there's a fine. Beyond that they may ban you for 90 days. Sometimes they ban, and sometimes they don't. After that you can return. The only thing that would keep you from coming back would be if you were given a ban and were still within the duration of the ban.
  2. The Nüfus will contact you. To do the interviews, they assemble a panel of various public officials. This "citizenship board" is assembled periodically during the year, and it's a different date every time.
  3. Usually you can create an appointment at the end of the online application process. Unless you're in Istanbul. If you're applying in Istanbul they usually send your appointment to you later by SMS or e-mail, depending on your communications choice. Every provincial capital has an office of the Göç İdaresi Genel Müdürlüğü (Directorate General of Migration Management, or DGMM). There are also satellite offices in places which have a large foreign population, and also in some districts within Istanbul. The place of your appointment will be printed on your completed online application. I doubt it. For two reasons. Air BnB is restricted in Turkey in that the owner of the place has to file a police report saying you're staying there. A later law required the owner to be a company, and not an individual. This law was enacted to prevent criminals and terrorists evading the police by staying in private residences instead of in hotels, where a nightly report to the police is always done. So I don't know what your status would be on that. You can, however, use a hotel as your address. During the online application, enter the actual hotel address, including the room number, as your address. Then get a letter from hotel management, on hotel letterhead, which says you're staying at the hotel and for how long. Then you can use that as proof of address. The letter must also be stamped and signed by the management. For a one-year (maybe a two-year) residence permit, some people use a hotel as an address to get their residence permit, then get an apartment and report the change of address. If you're still in a hotel on the day of your appointment, you'll have 30 days to finalize any contract arrangements, move in, and report your change of address to the DGMM. I doubt it. I haven't heard of this situation before, but normally this is only done for spouses with a marriage certificate. In this case I would call the 157 helpline and ask them. The travel insurance would only cover you while staying in Turkey on a visa or visa-free. It can't be used as insurance for a residence permit. For your residence permit you'll have to buy a policy from a Turkish company. They have special policies which meet the minimum standards for a residence permit. At minimum, that is what you would need. You can buy it quite easily by walking in to an insurance office, or you could contact the insurance company we work with, who sells this type of policy: Residence Permit Health Insurance Just to add on to what Cukurbagli said, once you have completed your online application and have downloaded it and printed it, you can use that application with your passport to remain in Turkey until your appointment date, whenever that is. At your appointment, you'll get a second document which will allow you to stay in Turkey until your residence permit is approved or disapprove, and if approved, until your residence permit card arrives at your address by registered mail.
  4. Are you in Istanbul? What happened during the appointment phase of your online application? Were you able to create one, or did you see any message displayed about it? It may be that you'll get an appointment sent to you by SMS or e-mail, depending on your choice of communication. This often happens with applications in Istanbul.
  5. I'm glad to hear you found a good place! I think that neighborhood is the best considering what you mentioned earlier, as well as for the price. Practically anything worth getting to is close by, including Kültürpark, which is enjoyable for its events and also a stroll. I hope you enjoy it!
  6. Sorry, my mistake... I forgot you were traveling visa-free. In that case you wouldn't have to worry about any expiration dates, you would just have to worry about exceeding 90 days in Turkey in any 180-day period. OK I went to this Schengen Visa calculator: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/visa-calculator/ Here is a result of the dates you provided using the calculator, in a screenshot. I entered today's date as if you were departing today, that allows the calculator to determine how many days you have left as of today. Click on the image for a closer view. It's saying you have spent a total of 74 days in Turkey in the previous 180-day period, and you still have 16 days left.
  7. This is so complicated I hesitate to get involved in all the math, and the passing of days, and how many days someone was in Turkey, etc... You should be able to use a Schengen Visa calculator to figure this out. The number of days in Turkey only applies to the number of days you've been in Turkey in the previous 180 days. Any days you've spent in Turkey before the beginning of that previous 180-day period don't matter. This date range changes every day, and always ends on whatever date "today" is. Also, your visa has a validity period of 180 days. This is a completely different date range that always begins on a set date and ends on another set date which is the visa's expiration date. On that date your visa will be invalid no matter how many days you've been in Turkey or not been in Turkey, and after that date you'll have to get a new visa. Even if you get a new visa, and even though it will be valid for 180 days, you'll still be restricted to a maximum of 90 days in Turkey during the previous 180-day rolling period, even if you buy a new visa. So what is the start date and end date of your current visa's validity period? I'll take a look at the numbers and run it through a Schengen Visa calculator and see what I come up with.
  8. I've never seen the white tarps in Antalya. They do it with umbrellas, though, in the dönerci çarşısı (kebab market). But that's mostly for decoration. In the old city in Muratpaşa, the streets are more like alleys, and its easy to find shade. It's not really that hot there. There are also some excellent seaside restaurants along the cost where there's plenty of breeze, and usually huge umbrellas or even trees for shade, which makes it quite pleasant. The only time the heat has really bothered me is when I had to go out and run a lot of errands, spending a lot of time walking along busy streets, sometimes in the shade and sometimes not. Or if I'm on my rooftop terrace for a long time. Or if a place doesn't have air conditioning and the heat accumulates. If you're going to be in Antalya in a hot month like July and August, of course, you're going to be hot, but while I may feel it and comment on it, I really don't find it so oppressive that I would think of moving somewhere else because of it. In spite of the heat, Antalya might be the best place I've ever lived, with San Diego CA right up there with it. And San Diego has the best weather, year round, in the entire USA. Yes. But it's a lot more fun, and faster, to take the antique tram. That runs all along the outskirts of the old town, all the way up to the museum and the entrance to Konyaaltı Beach. When you get to the museum stop, you just walk a little farther to a huge public elevator which will take you down the cliff to the beach. It's a very pleasant way to get there. To take a bus you'd have to bypass all of that and come in to Konyaaltı Beach another way because of the traffic patterns, and it wouldn't make sense. For more information see: http://www.antalyaulasim.com.tr/ On the home page click Nostaljı Tramvayı (Nostalgic Tram). It will have a map showing you the route. It takes the same transportation card the buses do. Regarding clothing, my advice would be to wear whatever you want, whatever you would wear anywhere else which has a climate like Antalya. If you're going to go out at night, you might want to wear long pants. But during the day, shorts and sandals are just fine. That said, Turks generally don't wear shorts. As I understand it, a lot of Europeans don't, ether! But that's a cultural thing. If you wanted to blend in as much as possible then I'd say yeah, wear long pants and dress very modestly. But it isn't necessary. Antalya is full of foreigners living there and visiting, and you'll be one of them, and the people of Antalya will be glad to have you there. I think how you dress won't matter to them even one iota.
  9. I hope you'll have no further problems with this, and that you find a nice place to live. Thanks for letting us know how it turned out.
  10. That would be great if you could send me a scan by personal message, there's an option to upload a document. I'm thinking that this type of form might have multiple uses, and might be configured differently depending on what it's used for.
  11. Thanks a lot for that info, I wasn't aware of these new requirements. I'm also going to be applying for a Long-term Residence Permit soon, and I'll also ask about these things in Antalya. You get it from the DGMM office. I think the usual routine is that the foreigner gets the dreaded message to go to the DGMM, where they learn of the rejection, then they're given the appeal form. I've not seen one of the komisyon değerlendirme formus before, but there may be specific things you need to address in your appeal which are listed on that form, so if I were you I would get the form first, then write the appeal. I don't think a lawyer will be of any help at this point, they're probably just going to give you the reason for rejection and the appeal form, and even if you had a lawyer there it wouldn't make any difference at that point. Perhaps as you're writing the appeal a lawyer might be able to help you with the wording. Then you'll submit the appeal, then if it gets rejected again the only option is the courts. So if you end up going that route, then you'd need a lawyer. But I'm wondering what the rejection reason is firstly, I'll bet its some missing document or something simple like that. Not a problem. If you have an appointment pending for your Short-term Residence Permit, you don't have to leave Turkey. You still have an active application for your Short-term Residence Permit. If you haven't gotten an SMS asking for additional documents, they probably won't ask for any at your appointment. If they do, they'll give you up to 30 days to get them. If it takes more just go back and let them know, and take any documentation (like letters of request for the documents, postal receipts with barcodes, etc. to show that you're actively working on getting the document. But if it takes a lot of time, let them know before the time they gave you runs out. Because if you don't, an application submitted with missing documents is rejected, not canceled, if you go over the time they give you to get the missing documents. Which would mean you can't re-apply for the same type of residence permit for another 180 days. If you still have an active application for a Short-term Residence Permit, you won't have to leave the country. Your Short-term Residence Permit application hasn't been rejected. But to answer your question, lets say both are rejected. If that happens, then you can leave Turkey and return the next day with an e-visa. The residence permit and the visa are two entirely different things. So when you get the visa to return, as far as any visa restrictions, your time in Turkey will be 0 days with the visa. How long you were in Turkey with the residence permit will have zero affect on the visa. I don't know. The law says "180 days," but I don't think it specifies the date which starts the 180 days. I'm really curious about this myself. I'm thinking its something simple that the immigration officer didn't catch during the interview, then later when they went over your application package they found some problem. But this will have no impact on your application for a Short-term Residence Permit. They're two different types of residence permits, and two completely separate applications. And by the way, thanks for sharing your experience here, I really hope you get this sorted out and that you get your Long-term Residence Permit, either this time or when you re-apply later. Please let us know what happens when you go to the DGMM. Atattoo, when you get this komisyon değerlendirme formu, would you mind scanning and sending me a copy of the form (not filled in)? I'm working on a series of guides about residence permits to help people in such situations (including what to do if rejected) and it would be of great help to actually have a copy of the form.
  12. According to what I'm seeing on the Ministry of Culture and Tourism site, one can only bring in one (1) mobile phone duty-free. https://www.ktb.gov.tr/EN-120416/duty-free-goods.html That doesn't mean you can't bring in more, but there will be an import duty to pay.
  13. Precious, see this guide: Finding a Job in Turkey If you have any questions, just ask, we'll try to help.
  14. I don't really find the heat to be all that bad... I mean not debilitating or anything like that. it is a humid heat though, and I tend to run my air conditioner all day! Mornings and evenings would be best for the beach for sure. That's mostly because there's no cover to protect you from the sun unless you go find a shade tree somewhere. Konyaaltı Beach is a pebble beach with some great ammenities, shopping and restaurants, park-like landscaping and shade trees. Lara has a kind of soily-sand public beach which also has trees for shade but it doesn't have the posh facilities of Konyaaltı Beach. There are a few Antalya expat groups on Facebook, also I understand Internations has a rather active group in Antalya with lots of get-togethers. Couch Surfers also meets once per week, you could check that website for more info. I'll be attending the Internations meet-ups when I get back to Antalya later this month, perhaps we'll meet at one of them. I also live in Muratpaşa. I really don't think anybody in Antalya is going to care about the tattoos. I can't imagine you getting that kind of a reaction, so I really wouldn't worry about it. There are quite a few tattoo parlors in Antalya, and it wouldn't surprise me that any comments you get were complimentary or just out of curiosity because your tattoo is interesting. In the night spots it would be considered more "cool" than anything else. So don't worry about it.
  15. I think the best information you'll get is when you go to Room 104 and ask why it was rejected. Perhaps there was some mistake in the package that was caught when they reviewed it which can be easily straightened out. Thankfully you can still apply for your short-term residence permit, so hopefully you won't have to leave Turkey. You can appeal the rejection by filling out a Komisyon Değerlendirme Formu (Commission Evaluation Form) which they'll give you when you go to room 104. When you get that form you can also find out why your application was rejected. You'll need to write an appeal. Make sure you write it out completely in Turkish, and have someone whose native language is Turkish go over it to make sure its perfect. Then write the appeal on the form and take it back to the DGMM office. If your appeal is rejected, your only other option is to appeal to the Turkish courts. Or you can go through the short-term residence permit application, which hopefully will be approved, then re-apply for the long-term residence permit again after 180 days. I've never heard of a pink folder being required either. Is that some folder the DGMM issues or are you supposed to get one from a stationery store? When you mention the Gün Sayımı, are you talking about the document which shows your entries and exits from Turkey that you get from the border police? I've heard of this form being called a Giriş-çıkış Kaydı (Record fo Entries and Exits). What was the actual title of the form, on the form itself? Did you get it from the DGMM or did you have to go to the main security directorate? I hope you don't mind the questions... In reading about your experience, I'm seeing a couple of things I haven't seen before, myself.
  16. Visa rules will vary depending on what agreement Turkey and your country have. On your visa, for how long is it valid? When is the start and end date? This is the validity period. On your visa, how many days does it allow you to be in Turkey during that time? Can you write here exactly what your visa says about these two things? A lot of visa calculators assume that the user has a visa with a validity period of 180 days, because that's what the typical European visa (called a Schengen Visa) allows. These calculators also assume that your visa allows you to be in Turkey for up to 90 days in a 180-day period, which is also according to the European Schengen Visa. But visas which are from other countries may have a shorter validity period and allow less days in Turkey. So with whatever visa calculator you use, you would have to enter the dates of the validity period and the number of days you're allowed to be in Turkey according to the visa you have.
  17. That whole area down there has some pleasant seaside towns you might want to drop in on as you drive along. Around Marmaris there's a lot of forest, so one of the towns near there might be what you're looking for. Marmaris itself, like Bodrum though, is very touristy during the summer. According to your needs I agree with Cukurbagli. Among the options you listed, Fethiye would be the only place you would find those things. Besides the main town, there's the Çalış Beach area which has a pleasant promenade (which extends to the main town), and a pleasant pebble beach. Excellent restaurants and night spots as well. Çalış Beach is where most of the expats live in Fethiye. Outside of Fethiye there are some very nice beaches and natural areas, but you would have to drive to get to them.
  18. Sorry for the late reply on this. Most every city in Turkey has a hayvan barınağı (animal shelter), including Izmir. You can find the one for Izmir by searching Google for izmir hayvan barınağı. Most of these animal shelters don't have websites (I didn't see one for the Izmir animal shelter), but they're listed in various web directories where you can get their contact information and location. Good luck in your adoption, and hats off to you for giving a dog a good home!
  19. You need to check the dates you entered for your passport. Your passport must be valid for the duration of the residence permit you're requesting, plus an additional 60 days. So what's happening is that you're entering a passport expiration date which is less than 60 days after your residence permit will be expiring. To fix the problem, you probably just need to change the amount of time you want the residence permit for, so it expires more than 60 days prior to your passport expiration date.
  20. I'm not sure on that one, can you call the help line at 157 and ask?
  21. Ah, great... thanks for that info, I was wondering how that worked!
  22. You can stay for the rest of the time you have available on your current residence permit. Once it expires, you'll have ten days to leave Turkey. If you leave within those ten days there will be no overstay fine. You can leave the country, get a visa, and return the next day. Because you haven't been in Turkey on a visa, the "90-in-180-days rule" or whatever restrictions your visa or visa-free arrangement has, doesn't apply to you. That rule will come in to effect only after you re-enter Turkey with a visa or under a visa-free arrangement..
  23. Sistemde teknik bir hata oluştu means there's a technical problem with the system itself, rather than with the information you're entering. So I would assume it's an issue with the health insurance portion of the system. Perhaps they're updating it, but their update isn't working and they have to re-write and install it again. If that's the case, you'll get an error no matter what information you enter. Since it's a system error, they probably have lots of people calling the 157 helpline already and they're working on it. Perhaps you should just wait a while, or a day, then go back into the system and update your application. If you're still having the problem, call the 157 helpline and report it. I don't know if they'd ask you for the error number but you should have it ready in case they do.
  24. To determine the cost of an apartment, try using www.sahibinden.com. They list apartments all over Turkey and you can search for one in Alanya to see how much they cost. For the general cost of living, try www.numbeo.com. They collect cost of living information from all over the world, including Turkey.
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