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Ken Grubb

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  1. That is an interesting story to say the least! I wonder what the underlying reasons were in your different treatment. I mean, was there something different between the two of you besides your being from the UK and him being from Italy? I'm baffled. I live in Antalya, so I am assuming the processing time will be the same. I applied for my extension on 30 January 2019. When renewing, you can do it by mailing in your documents, but I must have entered some wrong number into the online system because it forced me to set up an appointment. So I did. My appointment was on 4 February 2019. I received my residence permit card on 15 March 2019. So that's a 39-day wait between the appointment and the receipt of my residence permit card by mail. So your partner should receive his well before the apartment lease expires. Yes. And if your partner's name is on the tapu, he should have no problems getting a longer residence permit. I talked to a DGMM immigration specialist about this a short time ago. She was saying that if a person comes to Turkey on a visa and stays in a hotel, or in other short-term accommodations while looking for a property to buy, they can get a one-year residence permit even though the norm is to only issue it for the duration of stay in the hotel (like in your partner's case he could only get one for the duration of the apartment contract). Then later, the foreigner can report the new address to the DGMM after they get the tapu, already having a one-year residence permit. For some reason, they extended that courtesy to you, but not to your partner. I am wondering what that reason might be. In any case, congratulations on a successful interview. Sorry to hear about your partner's situation, but it looks like a situation which can be fixed after some hassle. Good luck on finding the perfect place to buy!
  2. I was at Incirlik from 2005 to 2007, living in Antalya now. I think the travel warnings mainly focus on the southeast, which is probably a good place to avoid, but I haven't heard of any incidents anywhere in Turkey which were directed at foreigners. Not lately anyway. I mentioned this in other posts... the Incirlik alley is pretty much dead... a few shops and restaurants are open, but the base has been in lockdown for quite a while. Still worth a visit though, at least to bring back some old memories!
  3. Well I'm happy to know you sorted that out! I hope you don't mind a few questions, I would like to learn more about the process in case anybody else has the same problem... You said you sent the document through the mail... where did you mail them to? Did you arrange it by telephone first or just mail the documents to them? When you had it translated into Turkish, did you use some kind of official translator? And when you say it was "approved by the Turkish consulate, what were they approving--the translation?
  4. A copy of a passport means nothing. It just means you have a copy of a passport which says it belongs to somebody named John Maur. If he is the one sending you documents there is no way to tell if they are real or not. Such documents can be created or modified easily. My advice is, don't send any money. If it is a scam, he is going to ask you to send him money. If you don't send it, he will use emotional pressure to get you to send it, make you feel terrible if you don't. That is usually what happens. Then again, it could all be true. There is now way you or I can know. The best advice I can give is, don't get engaged to anyone you haven't gotten to know, in person, on a regular basis, for at least a year. If you do, there is no way to know what you are getting in to, as is the case here. So there really isn't much I can say here... you can find out if what he is saying is true if you contact a lawyer and have them look in to it. They can check things independently and find out if he was really in an accident, if he was really arrested, etc... that would be the only way you could find out for sure. But even if it is all true, it still doesn't mean you are not being played. I hope things turn out all right for you. And of course everything here is just my opinion, and it should be taken as just that. If you do want to hire a lawyer to look in to this for you, you can find one here: https://www.turkeycentral.com/companies/category/26-lawyers/
  5. Is your fiancee in Turkey? And where are you? Have you met him before? How long have you known him? I say this because it could be a scam. It does sound like one. So please answer the questions I asked and I will try to help.
  6. Apparently no lawyers have been able to reply, so I called one. According to her, Turkey has such strict insult laws that it is illegal to insult someone, even if what you are saying is true, if you can't prove what you are saying. And if you can prove what you are saying, it needs to be done in a court of law, and only in a court of law. So if he has done anything illegal, you can go to the police and report him. If he has not done anything illegal per se, but has unjustly gotten money from you, you can sue him in civil court. There have been cases where a foreign woman has posted such information about a Turkish man taking advantage of her, and the Turkish man didn't take the foreign woman to court over it. In these cases it is probably because the man was unaware of what is being said, or there actually was proof that he did what has been alleged, so taking the woman to court for insult would result in his losing the case, and his activities being made a matter of public record from the court documents. If you do post such information about someone on the internet, they have every right to report you to the prosecutor or sue you... that doesn't mean the prosecution will be successful or the complainant will win the lawsuit, but they can still report you to the prosecutor or open a lawsuit against you. So you are kind of on dangerous ground if you simply post derogatory information about someone online instead of taking them to court, where such allegations should be made. This is what I learned from a previous case: If the man has done anything like take money from you, borrow money and not pay it back, lie about needing money and getting money from you that way, that is illegal also. You can take him to court, and even get your money back, if you have proof that you gave it to him (like proof of a bank transfer). However... Some time ago I helped a foreign woman who had been defrauded by a Turkish man. In this case it was the usual love scam. I referred her to a lawyer and she provided to the lawyer proof of money transfers to the man based on various things which were later determined to be lies. She won the case. But collecting the money was near impossible. The court put a demand on the man's employer to pay back the money to the woman, from any future salary. So the man quit his job, then started working "off the books" somewhere else. Besides that, apparently the court can only take a percentage of the money at a time, and the man actually made a very low salary, so what the woman would have gotten back would have taken a long time to actually receive. That's not to mention any lawyer fees you might have to pay. So, if you have proof that you have given the man money based on a lie he told you, you probably have a case. But you would need to see a lawyer, and the man you will be taking to court will need to have assets or money that you can take from to get the money back. Please understand I am not a lawyer and this is not intended as legal advice, but this is what I understand from my conversations with lawyers and my previous experience helping someone get their money back from a love rat. I hope it helps.
  7. It's asking for a "No," or numara, meaning "number." So its not asking for a date. Looking at my current insurance policy, on the first page at the top it says "Yenileme No: 0" When I recently did my own renewal application I entered a zero. Look at your insurance policy and see if it has a Yenileme No, and enter that, or if it doesn't have one, try entering a zero.
  8. Only the DGMM can do that. It is impossible for any of us to know what the problem is. You have to go to the DGMM office and learn what the problem is from them. You can also try calling the helpline at 157 from any telephone within Turkey, or from outside of Turkey, call +90 312 157 1122. Maybe they can give you more information about this.
  9. You need to do what the message says, that is, go to the Directorate General of Migration Management office where you applied. Only they can tell you what the problem is and what you need to do.
  10. The Daily Sabah featured one of our members in their "Legendary Expat Series." His name is Martin Redman. He goes by the name of "REDDERS" on Turkey Central, but he is more widely known as "Doc Martin" because of his Facebook group, "Doc Martin's Surgery for Expats." Martin is widely known for his work in sorting out those things expats need to know in Turkey, and his ability to explain complex issues in terms people can understand. I can personally attest to his painstaking attention to detail when it comes to providing correct information. And I am grateful to have Martin as a member of our community. You can read more about Martin in this Daily Sabah article: Legendary Expat Series: Meet Martin Redman Congratulations, Martin, for being recognized as a Legendary Expat. You truly deserve it!
  11. I have recently learned how ignorant I was in my perception of a "proper beach." I'm from the East Coast of the United States. To me, a "proper beach" has always been a big, wide, sandy beach. I hadn't even seen a pebble beach until I came to Turkey. Lately I have met a LOT of people who prefer pebble beaches to sandy beaches. Pebble beaches were what they were used to, or they preferred them because the sand didn't get into any uncomfortable places. I hadn't even thought about that before. Anyway, since my first and latest posts, I have changed my idea about what a "proper beach" is.
  12. I've sent you a name and contact info.
  13. Personally, I don't think it is possible to have a "relationship" on the internet. You have to have personal contact with the other person. And before any commitments are made, you have to know each other for some time. You should base your conclusions on people based on what they do, not on what they say, and this is not possible over the internet. For that reason, "love scams" over the internet are very common. I'm certainly not saying that this is going on here, but the internet certainly creates an environment for it. There are a lot of cultural and personal issues involved in a relationship between people from different cultures. It is not possible to know exactly what these are just by communicating on the internet. So I wouldn't take this "relationship" too seriously. Be ready to walk away, and don't create a lot of expectations on your part, or on his. You should let your brain take the lead, not your heart. Think logically, not emotionally. There are many dating sites where you can find, then meet someone who has similar interests and values, and spend time with them to see if there is any chemistry there, or if they inspire any feelings for you. And you can see what they are really like instead of what they think they are like, or what they say they are like. Even in person-to-person relationships people put on their best face, which means they display, or exaggerate, their positive attributes, and do or say what they think you want to see. And they hide those things that they don't want you to see. Only later in a relationship, after seeing what they do, and not what they say or show you, can you really get to know the person. On the internet, this is going to occur even more. My concern with internet relationships has also been creating a lot of high hopes before you actually meet the person. It is better just to be friends and correspondents, and that is all. Then when (if) you meet, you can take it from there. If you create a lot of high hopes before you even meet a person, then when you meet, if it doesn't click, then your, your friends, or both of your hopes, fall from an even greater height. And because you have created a lot of feelings for the person beforehand, you might tend to overlook things that would normally be "red flags" telling you they are not the right person for you. Not to mention that you may have wasted a lot of time that would have been better spent finding the right person for you, in the traditional way, under more realistic circumstances. Of course you need to decide for yourself, but that is my opinion.
  14. I have never run across this situation before. People who come on regular student visas (which might be different from what you have) can apply for residence. So it might work, you can always try. But I think you should call the helpline and get the information directly from the DGMM. The law isn't specific about people working online in Turkey if they are working for foreign companies. And the immigration specialists at the DGMM are probably not specialized in labor laws, but they are concerned about any foreigners working in Turkey. So if you are working, even if it is online, this may cause a problem during your interview. I say "may," because I don't have any specific information about situations like yours, and I don't know of anybody who has been in the same situation before.
  15. I don't know. There might be an issue with your visa, since you are not using the visa for the purpose it was intended. Did you get this visa from the e-visa website, or from a Turkish embassy or consulate? Is it a sticker that they placed onto one of the pages of your passport?
  16. So it seems to me that, since you got a visa to come for a Turkish language course, you now need to get a short-term residence permit for the purpose of attending the Turkish language course. And they should give you a short-term residence permit which lasts until the graduation date of your course. That would mean you also have to take, to your appointment, the documents from the school showing the course end date. Then, when that residence permit is within 60 days of expiring, and you want to stay in Turkey to live, you would have to apply again for another short-term residence permit. I doubt it, because in that case you don't yet have the intent to buy a property. The above are just my opinions. It is best in these situations, or in any situation where the rules don't specifically address something, to talk to the DGMM and get the information from them.
  17. I can tell you at this point that you can't get a student residence permit from inside Turkey. So you would have to apply for a short-term residence permit. I haven't heard of a Turkish language course visa before, how did you get it? What does the visa say, exactly?
  18. According to what an immigration specialist recently told me, here is what you need to do: Return to Turkey and get whatever temporary accommodations you need. You'll either need a rental contract (even if it is short-term), or a letter from a hotel on hotel letterhead stating the duration of your stay. Then apply for a one-year or two-year residence permit. Normally, if you are staying in a hotel or other such temporary residence, the residence permit will only be issued for the duration of your stay there. So, normally, if you are only going to be in a hotel or other such temporary place for 30 days, you could only get a residence permit for those 30 days. However, If you are buying property, you just need to inform the immigration specialist of this during your appointment. If you are intending to buy property in Turkey, and live in it, they can give you a one or two-year residence permit based on your intentions, even though, at the time of the appointment, you will be staying in a hotel or other temporary lodging. Later, when you buy the property and get the tapu (property title deed), you need to take that to the local DGMM office and report that you are now a property owner, and provide them with your new address. You need to do this within 20 business days after you receive the tapu.
  19. An immigration specialist I spoke with recently said that normally, if you use a hotel, the duration of the residence permit will not be longer than your stay at the hotel. So you would have to have a letter from the hotel, on hotel letterhead, saying that you have booked for whatever period. Therefore, you would have to find a permanent place and get a rental contract for one year to get a residence permit for one year. However, If you intend to buy a property to live in, you can apply for a one or two-year residence permit, even though you are staying in a hotel or temporary place at the time. You would just need to bring the letter or short-term contract to your appointment, then inform the immigration specialist that you are searching for a property to buy, or are in the process of buying a property. In that case, they can give you a one or two-year residence permit, even though at the time of the appointment you will be staying at a temporary location. Later, after you get your tapu (title deed) showing that you own a property, take that to the DGMM office and let them know that you are now a property owner, and give them your new, permanent address. You will need to do this within 20 working days after you receive the tapu. If he is over 65, health insurance is not required. So he doesn't need health insurance.
  20. Great to hear you've got a better understanding of the process. I'm keeping an eye on this topic in case you need any help, so if you have any other questions, feel free to ask. You can buy the health insurance, online, here: Turkey Expat Health Insurance The form goes to a broker in Fethiye. He works with several companies and can offer a good insurance plan, I also got mine from him. The price quote, according to the information you provide, is free of course. If you want to buy the insurance, you'll need to provide him a copy of your passports, that is because he wants to be absolutely sure there is no mistake in the information listed on the policy. You'll then pay by bank transfer. He'll create the policies and send you PDF copies with all pages (there are like 25 pages with all of the coverage, etc). Then he will send to you, by a cargo delivery company, the first three pages of the originals, which have the required stamps and signatures. It is those you need to take with you to your appointment (the DGMM only needs the first three pages). That could be a problem, but one easily solved. If you were staying with a friend, you could use their address as your residence, but your friend would have to go to a noter (notary) and sign a document (a taahhutname, or "undertaking") in which he or she promises to be responsible for any debts you don't pay and to make sure you leave the country when your residence permit expires. Since it is Air B&B, the owner probably isn't going to do that. If you move to a hotel, the manager of the hotel can provide a letter (on hotel letterhead) explaining that you are staying there, and provide your check-in and check-out dates, etc... So you could do it with a hotel. Or you could rent an apartment, by the month or year, whichever you like. If you do that, you'll need to get a rental contract, then take the rental contract to a notary and get a notarized copy of the rental contract. The DGMM will need that notarized copy. When you do find a permanent place to live, make sure you go to your local Nüfus ve Vatandaşlık Müdürlüğü (Population and Citizenship Directorate) with your passport, residence permit and your rental contract. They don't need a notarized copy of your rental contract, but they do need to see the original. They will also need your Yabancı Kimlik Numarası (Foreigner Identification Number) which will be printed on the front of your residence permit. They will register you at your address in their automated address system. If you don't do this you'll get fined. You can try to make an online appointment with the Nüfus for this. You can do that here: Nüfus Appointment Website I say "try," because the last time I had to go there, their online system wouldn't take a foreigner ID number. The foreigner ID numbers start with "99" as the first two numbers. If they have updated their system to take a foreigner ID number, you can book an appointment online. If not, you'll need to go there and explain the situation, take a number, then wait for an opening. That is what I had to do last time. Take a book with you. If you change your address later, you also will need to report your address change at the Nüfus, within 20 business days of your move. If you move to another province, you will also need to get a new residence permit from the new province... that is another topic entirely, I just mention it here in case you didn't know this.
  21. Your passport says that, or your visa? Since it is your home country which issued the passport, I cannot say with 100% certainty what it says or means, and Turkey issues different types of visas, with different validity periods and maximum periods of stay. I would assume it is your visa which says that, not your actual passport. It "probably" means that the visa is valid for seven months, which would mean that you can use it any time during that seven months. The "duration of stay" probably means that you can stay in Turkey for up to 30 days at any time during your visa's seven-month validity period. If that is the case, you must leave Turkey at the end of 30 days, unless you apply for a residence permit during that 30-day period. If you apply online within that 30-day validity period, and your application is accepted, the online system will give you a link to click on so you can download your completed application. With that completed (and accepted) residence permit application, you can continue to stay in Turkey until your appointment, even if you exceed the number of days you are allowed in Turkey with your visa. So definitely don't wait until you have exceeded your 30 days to apply. You must apply, and have your application accepted in the online system, before you exceed 30 days in Turkey. If you wait until after you have exceeded the 30 days, you will be overstaying your visa, and you will not be allowed to apply for a residence permit. One very important thing I forgot to mention. Be sure to call Turkey's residence permit assistance number. It is 157. You can call it from any telephone in Turkey. If you are outside of Turkey, call +90 312 157 1122. You can select an option to speak English. In this way you can verify, with the DGMM itself, anything you hear about the process, and ask them any questions you have directly. For example, they may be able to tell you if any additional documents are required at the Izmir branch, or if, in Izmir, they ask for additional documents from citizens of your home country.
  22. It is up to date for everywhere but Istanbul... since I wrote it, rules came out for Istanbul which require a LOT more documentation (I need to write a separate article for Istanbul). I believe you contacted me privately and said you would be applying in Izmir. As far as I know, they are not asking for the many additional documents that Istanbul does. If you go here: E-ikamet website And look at the lower right, you'll see "required documents." that will lead to a PDF file, from the DGMM, which lists all of the required documents. They should be the same as in the article. If they require any additional documents, they will let you know by SMS. And, during your appointment, if any are missing or inadequate, they will let you go and get them and bring them back (no appointment required). It has to be from a Turkish company, and you need to get a policy before you start the online application process. When you apply, on the website in the health insurance section, there is a drop-down list of insurance companies you can choose from. It only includes Turkish insurance companies. Also you need to get your photos taken (biometric photos) before you apply online, because you will need to scan one of them and upload the image into the online system during the process. The photo you upload must be the same as the ones you will include with your hard-copy application.
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