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  1. Because she was traumatized. I would say on a positive note that if any stranger harasses you in the street in Turkey, you don't need to be afraid to yell at them, they won't touch you. In the US or other places it's risky to raise your voice because people do get violent more often.
  2. It is funny that you can't share a hotel room if you're not married and yet prostitution is legal.
  3. Her father is another foreigner, but not from my country. My daughter could potentially own 3 passports and that is one of the things I may be able to do for her in life. If I could give her the world I would , but I would settle with giving her a few countries.
  4. I didn't mean to suggest that holding property was the requirement for citizenship. I was merely suggesting that it was one factor which would increase the chances of gaining citizenship, which is what my nufus ve vatandaslik told me. This was because I asked them what to do since they also told me that if I now obtain the short term residence permit for the remaining 3 years, and the reason "tourist" is selected as it is for renters, then I will be disqualified from the 5 year rule. They told me anything but "tourist" reason could count...including "student" even which Redders was saying does not count. They told me student does count if you then get a job with a work permit once done studying, but tourist never ever counts. I will go back to that office once I get clear about as much as I can from other sources first and then update with any news. Anyway, I want to move along and ask my other question which is, if I am able to obtain Turkish citizenship how can I also ensure that my daughter can also obtain Turkish citizenship? I read that descent is no longer enough...my daughter is now 2 and I want her to have dual citizenship to give her a sense of stability, because as it is now she was born and is growing up in a foreign country and I think it's unfair to her unless I can resolve it in a few years time. I want to add that I have no idea what it means that "descent is no longer enough" especially since the situation would be that the mother gains citizenship after the birth of the child but before the child reaches age 18. I had hope for her gaining 3 passports in life since before she was born because I knew about the 5 year rule but now with the change in residence permit laws I wonder if it shouldn't be called the exceptional 5 year rule. And I knew that Turkey, my country, and her father's country all allow dual citizenship. She already has her passport from my country, I know she is entitled her father's country's passport by birth (that will be simple to obtain in the future since his signature is on her birth documents), but I wanted to wait for that one until she got her Turkish passport not to complicate the procedure for Turkey more than it needs to be.
  5. I have the same problem almost, except that we are foreign and both live in Turkey, but he refuses to pay one lira for his child. There is nothing we can do about this, these kinds of men get away with it all the time even when everyone is from the same country and lives in the same country. It's a problem created by the system we live in that favors men and devalues women and children. This is the reality for many women that can't be changed as long as the system is the way it is, so don't worry about it too much because it's just a waste of time.
  6. Why did they change the residence permit laws in 2014? There were the A countries and the B countries, and A countries could get longer term residence permits that led to citizenship, and B countries only got one year residence permits that didn't lead to citizenship. Now we are all B countries, unless we invest or get married. Correct me if I'm wrong.
  7. I agree, hold that thought until you establish yourself educationally and then financially if at all possible. If it's not possible all that will depend more on who you're with, so you would need to be more picky about choosing a mate not just for love, but more for security.
  8. My daughter is 2, she will be covered under my insurance plan not need her own, correct? I don't know about the Vali. live in Istanbul, do I go to the Istanbul Valigi located in Fatih or are there smaller more local branch offices that might be closer to where I live? I couldn't locate any other Vali online than the one I stated, just asking to save time.. Also, do I go to the Valigi first or the SGK office first? Do I need to bring my daughter or just bring her residence permit? Also, one more thing, my daughter only had a residence permit (her 1st residence permit) for a little less than a year before it expired, will she need to wait another year on another residence permit to be added to my insurance?
  9. Do you mean go to the local ilce Nufus Mudurlugu for my area in istanbul or the main istanbul il Nufus ve Vatandaslik Mudurlugu? I went to the later for my information...(the information saying that short term residence permits that were issued because of tourist reasons will be information used when applying for citizenship and disqualify me right from the start. This is what they say and with much hostility). Isn't it true the 5901 citizenship law is valid and that it was made in 2009 and the provision we are talking about that is part of that law was made in 2010. Is there any more up to date citizenship law?
  10. Other than living in Turkey for over a year with a residence permit, what are the requirements for SGK insurance? Do I need to have a job with a work permit? I think that's what I was told at the local SGK office a year ago.
  11. If a child of born from a Turkish parent in a foreign country, but no papers were filed for the child to ever get Turkish citizenship, what requirements does that person need to meet to get their citizenship (other than proving they have a Turkish parent)? If a child was born in Turkey to foreign parents and one of the parents becomes Turkish, what does that person need to prove other than they have a Turkish parent?
  12. If I'm unmarried, female, over 18 am I considered a dependent of my father in terms of if he decides to get the long term residence permit I would also qualify? I'm sure he would qualify since he lived here for 2 decades with a work permit. He is a teacher and over the age limit for working as a Turkish teacher, so he prefers not to get citizenship. But I would also like to know, if he did get citizenship wouldn't I qualify for citizenship too?
  13. For bank accounts.. I had trouble getting a bank account at many banks without a residence permit. So, from my experience, my advice is to find a bank located on a University campus that has lots of foreign students. They deal with this all the time.
  14. I am located in Istanbul. I don't understand how the authorities on citizenship can misinterpret the laws for citizenship. I can't argue with them because the law clearly states what they say, not what people here say: d) Türk vatandaşlığının kazanılmasında kabul edilmeyen ikamet nedenleri ile Türkiye’de bulunan kişinin sonradan geçerli sayılan bir nedenle ikamete bağlanması halinde önceki ikamet süreleri de hesaba katılır. Bu hüküm, turistik amaçlı ikamet tezkeresi ile Türkiye’de bulunanlar hakkında uygulanmaz. How can I argue with them that they are the ones misinterpreting the laws about citizenship? Is there an amendment to the law or something else written in the law or an argument that this statement above can be understood in other ways?
  15. In other words, I'm being played by my local authorities. They must be lying to a lot of people, they have this law highlighted to show anyone who walks in and asks basic questions. The Mudur also confirmed they were telling the truth so the Mudur is also lying.
  16. Ken, I will try again to go to the source to clear up this mess and post it if I learn anything. Cukubagli, you said " Don't be confused by the "for touristic reasons" your permit WILL count towards the 5 years for a citizenship application. " Do you have evidence other than our general experience that laws are in theory and not practical in Turkey? I would like it to be true, but the provision in the law contradicts.
  17. Thanks for the answers, but I don't think anyone who has responded so far has understood what my problem is. I understand that there is no certainty that citizenship will be granted and there is some grey area in the decision making process. However, what I am concerned about at this moment is being disqualified right now from the 5 year rule, and having to start all over. And losing my past 2 years of residence which were under long term residence status (which no longer exists), and it is now expiring. My last 2 years do count towards citizenship, but under the new system, I currently only qualify for the short term residence permit for touristic purposes even though I am not a tourist, this is the way the system now categorizes people who are renters living in Turkey. So, although my circumstances have not changed, the law has. And, also there is a provision in the 5 year rule of law that states that a residence permit (not to be confused with a tourist visa) issued for tourist reasons do not count towards the 5 years. I have already given the exact part of the law above that concerns me (maybe Aysun can understand it). I want to learn what options I have so that I don't lose the past 2 years, so that I don't get categorized as a tourist, if that makes sense. Do I have other options apart from marriage, owning property, studying, or work permit to avoid the tourist label? As a renter living continuously in Turkey how can I avoid being labeled a tourist according to the current laws? Why did they end the long term residence permit status that counted in the 5 year rule and offer in it's place short term residence permits and tell me I here as a tourist when I am not?
  18. Below I copy and pasted part of the immigration law or I guess it's called provisions of the law where it's written that residence permits for touristic reasons do not count towards citizenship. d) Türk vatandaşlığının kazanılmasında kabul edilmeyen ikamet nedenleri ile Türkiye’de bulunan kişinin sonradan geçerli sayılan bir nedenle ikamete bağlanması halinde önceki ikamet süreleri de hesaba katılır. Bu hüküm, turistik amaçlı ikamet tezkeresi ile Türkiye’de bulunanlar hakkında uygulanmaz. To find the source, if you do a search for this: TÜRK VATANDAŞLIĞI KANUNUNUN UYGULANMASINA İLİŞKİN YÖNETMELİK you will find the document on a government website and be able to download it. So, it looks like there is no renter's residence permit, that website just gave the tourist residence permit a new name. The long term residence permits that existed before 2014 made it possible to get citizenship as a "tourist" so they took those away I guess.
  19. According to my understanding of what you wrote, neither of the following would qualify for citizenship? Someone who resides in Turkey 5 years on a short term residence permit, or someone who resides in Turkey for 5 years on a work permit? Isn't a permanent residence permit what someone can apply for after 8 years of residing in Turkey? So, 8 years plus 5 years is 13 years. I'm understanding that you mean this or being married for 3 years are the only options for citizenship.
  20. What are the types of short term residence permits? I need to avoid the tourist type because it doesn't lead to citizenship. Is there really such a thing as a renter's residence permit that is stated on the web page below? https://www.permitinturkey.com/ I am a renter, so if this option does exist I didn't see it on the residence permit application as an option so how would I apply for this type of permit and does it lead to citizenship?
  21. If I know of a Turkish person who has a company and they'd be willing to get me a work permit as a favor, how hard would it be for them to get the work permit and for them to maintain it for 3 years so I can get Turkish citizenship at the end? What kind of hassle would there be for that person because I may or may not actually work for them, but on paper I would be their employee for 3 years. It's just a hypothetical question of course!
  22. You should get to know each other as friends and see how you feel about him as a friend. If he is not a good friend that's important, and not just to you but you want to know how he is towards all kinds of people. Get to know his views on life and the world. Religion is just one detail and attraction is another detail, but there is much more to know about someone who you want to be your partner in life. That is why you have doubts. So, before you ever let this go forward romantically, you need to get to know each other and see if you are compatible and if he is a stand up guy in life and if he means what he says.
  23. Hi Goreme, I live in Istanbul, so my local immigration office is in Fatih and they are hostile towards me when I am only asking for some info about how to obtain citizenship. I speak Turkish pretty well, but anyone knows that law is written in quite advanced language and it's important to get the exact meaning. On my third attempt to get info from the employees at Fatih I was successful at getting them to give me a photocopy of the specific document that supposedly states that the tourist residence permit doesn't count for citizenship and then I managed to find the source online: TÜRK VATANDAŞLIĞI KANUNUNUN UYGULANMASINA İLİŞKİN YÖNETMELİK but the part that was pointed out to me that prohibits people with tourist residence permits to apply for citizenship is under Madde 71, part c), part ç) and also part d). My Turkish is not perfect and I have not come across anyone who wants to explain, but it looks like it could be that the tourist residence permit doesn't count towards the 5 year citizenship rule. So, here it is in Turkish of course: Yabancının ikameti ve ikamet sürelerinin hesaplanması MADDE 71 – (1) Türk vatandaşlığını kazanmak isteyen yabancı için ikamet sürelerinin geçerliliği ve hesaplanmasında aşağıdaki esaslara göre işlem yapılır: a) Yabancının Türkiye’de ne kadar süre ile ikamet ettiği il emniyet müdürlüğünce verilen ikamet tezkeresi ve Türkiye’ye giriş ve çıkış tarihlerini gösteren belge ile belirlenir. b ) Türk vatandaşlığını kazanmak isteyen yabancı, aranan ikamet süresi içinde toplam altı ayı geçmemek üzere Türkiye dışında bulunabilir. Türkiye dışında geçirilen toplam altı ayı geçmeyen süre, öngörülen ikamet süresi içinde değerlendirilir. c) Yabancının ikamet süresi içinde toplam altı aydan fazlasını Türkiye dışında geçirmesi ya da geçerli ikamet izni olmaksızın veya ikamet izni almadan altı aydan fazla Türkiye’de bulunması ikamet süresini keser ve bu tarihten önceki ikamet süreleri dikkate alınmaz. ç) Yasal ikamet izni olmaksızın veya yasal olmakla birlikte Türkiye’de yerleşme niyetini göstermeyen; sığınma veya iltica başvuru sahibi, sığınmacı, öğrenim, turistik, öğrenim gören çocuğuna refakat, tedavi gibi amaçlarla alınan ikamet tezkeresiyle ya da diplomatik veya konsüller ayrıcalıkla bağışıklık sağlayan yabancı misyon personeli kimlik kartıyla Türkiye’de ikamet edilmesi Türk vatandaşlığının kazanılmasında geçerli ikamet olarak kabul edilmez. d) Türk vatandaşlığının kazanılmasında kabul edilmeyen ikamet nedenleri ile Türkiye’de bulunan kişinin sonradan geçerli sayılan bir nedenle ikamete bağlanması halinde önceki ikamet süreleri de hesaba katılır. Bu hüküm, turistik amaçlı ikamet tezkeresi ile Türkiye’de bulunanlar hakkında uygulanmaz.
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