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  1. I am going for a week in April so any detailed information would be appreciated. My husband and daughter visited 2 years ago but either their memories elude them or they are too selective but i only heard about the most famous of places. I would like to know about night life, shopping etc. Apparently there was no night life where they were.
  2. It is very sad and it makes me angry!! I am afraid i cant respect these parents but i do feel sorry for their ignorance.I am glad you said it was cultural because it is definitely not religious. In Islam parents must not only provide for children
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    Hi Nicky and welcomeOur family friends son managed to get a visa last xmas...we had to show our bank statements and he the same,i think he had to have at least 4000ytl. Unfortunatley he had to return to Turkey after 8 days (a short trip) We tried again this year but for some reason they wont give the visa this time. When i go over in a few weeks i will be able to understand better why they did not give it.Wishing you good luck but advising you to take it slow and hang onto your cash!
  4. Hi lozengelegend First of all let me congratulate you and wish you every happiness I am glad everything worked out well. I hope that our f/d boyfriends family will be understanding and co-operative.You wouldnt get alchohol at a Kurdish or Pakistani wedding. Muslim weddings vary enormously according to the culture of the people involved. Many people confuse the celebrations at a Pakistani /Kurdish/Turish or Bangladeshi wedding with an Islamic wedding, and assume they are the same thing. This is not so, of course, for many of the Muslims who marry are from widely different cultures . Most certainly my f/d wedding will not follow the Kurdish nor Turkish culture as she has no Kurdish or Turkish relitives here to invite. Below you will find some information about how her wedding will progress. Four Day Wedding Ritual of Pakistan Traditional Pakistani marriage celebrations lasts for four days. First Day of the Celebration On the first day, the bride and groom's families each dress in yellow, and celebrate the upcoming nuptials separately. The betrothed couple will not see each other from this day until the ceremony. Second Day of the Celebration The second day is reserved for a big celebration called Mendi that includes dancing and singing ancient songs. On this day, the groom's family delivers the wedding dress to the bride's family, and then her family takes the groom's wedding attire to his family. The bride's family string hundreds of colored lights over and around their home, creating an ostentatious announcement of their daughter's forthcoming marriage. Here, the bride-to-be receives a traditional henna staining of her hands and feet. This traditional Muslim art form invokes intricately designs to create beautiful symbolic patterns. The bride-to-be is waited on by her family while the henna stain dries overnight. Third Day is the Marriage Ceremony The wedding rites and ceremony in Pakistan take places on the third day. The Pakistani bride and groom who continue their traditions wear garments of red. The bride's gown is very elaborate, as are her veil and jewelry. Men wear a distinctive traditional turban. After wedding vows are exchanged, the Holy Koran is held over the new bride's head as she joins her husband's family. The official paperwork is signed in the presence of an Islamic priest and the guests. Fourth and Final Day of Wedding Program in Pakistan On the fourth day, the couple hosts their first dinner as husband and wife. The groom's family invites all of the guests to their home for a feast.
  5. Thanks sunny. I also feel lucky to have her. I have posted her picture in the gallery if you want to take a look.
  6. Author: Mehmet Birbiri Turkish weddings differ from one region to another, in urban and rural areas. In modern Turkish society, the official marriage arrangement signing ceremony is followed by a large celebration at a wedding hall where relatives, friends, and acquaintances come together to dance, drink, eat, and shower the new couple with gifts and good wishes. Most marriages today happen upon the agreement of the young couples, but some marriages are still arranged by families. Even if the young couple agrees to marry, they and their families follow the traditions which have been very popular for ages. If it is going to be a totally family-arranged marriage, the family of the young man, mainly his mother and other female relatives, start to search around for a suitable bride. the word spreads around and friends, relatives, and neighbors might show some candidates. The candidate could be someone they saw in a market, gathering, or ceremony. If they don't know who she is, the family checks out her family and where she lives. Then a message is sent to her family stating that they would like to visit them to see the young girl. Traditionally, the girl's family does not refuse that message. On a set day the young man and some of his close relatives visit the girl's house. Again, traditionally the girl is dressed up and serves Turkish cofee to the guests. While drinking coffee, the guests have a closer look at the girl and her family. After drinking coffee, the guests thank their hosts for the hospitality and leave without any comment. After leaving they discuss the girl and her family. If the family approves and once the son declares his intention to marry the girl, representatives of the groom (usually female relatives escorted by a respected older woman) visit the girl's family. As the prospective bride serves the visitors, the groom's representatives explain their proposition. Normally, the bride's family asks the girl's consent and answers the other party within a week. The girl's family checks out the young man and his family as well. After receiving a positive answer, the groom's parents visit the bride's side with several elderly and respected members of the family. Meanwhile they discuss the specific household gifts each family will give the couple. The approximate date of the wedding is also set during those talks. At the end of the discussion, the respective families have dessert. Dessert, mainly baklava, is delivered to the neighbors and friends as an announcement of the agreement. Eating sweet things after the agreement represents the wish that everything goes sweetly in the marriage. Shortly afterward, an engagement ceremony is held for the groom to place an engagement ring on the bride's finger. It's customary at this time to give the bride some gifts, such as gold bracelets, necklaces and other jewelry. Before the wedding ceremony, the household goods of the couple are carried to the new house. When this happens, you might see some trucks carrying furniture and people clapping, dancing, and beating drums. The eve before the wedding is called henna night. The girl's friends gather at her house, play music, dance, and sing. They also tint the bride's finger or hand with henna. it's customary to sing sad and separation songs by the end of the night. Another tradition is the bride's crying. It signifies the sorrow of the bride at separating with her family. Meanwhile the groom's friends gather at the groom's house and have a kind of bachelor party. They eat, drink, sing, and dance. One of the groom's close friends or relatives confidentially teaches the inexperienced groom the gentle ways and manners he should show his wife on their wedding night, which, if properly exercised, will ultimately win her heart forever. The groom's confidante will sometimes buy this right to provide such advice through an auction in the groom's honor. While most wedding ceremonies last one day, some regions may celebrate weddings three to seven days, depending on the wealth of the family. On the wedding day, the eldest brother of the bride ties a red ribbon around her wast which signifies her virginity. In Turkey, as in many other cultures, it's considered a matter of honor and pride for the bride's family. During the ceremony the couple signs the marriage registration book in front of the mayor or an official acting on behalf of the mayor. As soon as the book is signed, the bride and groom race each other to step upon the top of his or her spouses shoe, which brings immediate cheers from each side of the family. The winner of the race is believed to be the person who will dominate the family from that moment on.
  7. In the Muslim world, marriage customs and traditions vary as much as the colors in a rainbow. All retain the Islamic obligatory acts, which make a marriage valid and include other practices, which are individual to their surrounding cultures. My foster daughter is Turkish/kurdish and has met a very nice Pakistani young man. They have been seeing each other since December last year and announced their engagement 3 days ago So, as customs have it his family came to visit last night to ask if we approved. As both families had met before and got along well, boy and girl were happy this was a mere formality. It is also custom to give an approximate date for marriage which we all agreed should not be for at least 18 months so my daughter could almost complete her college course and we would have more time to save for what i think will be a lavish affair. Thank God the boy's family have the main obligation for providing the feast Maybe we will pay for the hall and possibly the honeymoon.There are still other obligations on the brides side e.g Nikah. Still..........i never expected to have the expense of marrying another daughter at my time of life, even worse since hubby will be retiring next February These are the times when as a muslim I don't like the traditions and think they make things too hard for families. (its not the religion itself) In the Indian subcontinent, a marriage is reserved to three days of customs and traditions. The Mehndi is the event where you put henna on the bride and groom's hands. Marked by traditional songs and dances, it sometimes extends to two days - one day over at the groom's place to put henna on his hand and the second day over at the bride's house to put henna on hers. The actual Nikah is called a Shadi, which is traditionally done by the bride's side. This is the signing of official paperwork in the presence of an Imam. After signing these papers and doing some religious ceremony, the couple is declared husband and wife. To celebrate, guests eat of the many lavish dishes that are served. To announce the marriage officially the Walima takes place as a feast given by the groom's family. Both husband and wife welcome the guests and mingle with them while people eat dinner.
  8. Hi Meral. Yes..i have been a Muslim for 30 years now You are probably 90% right there and between the years of me converting i learnt about many religions. I was the only one in my family from a very early age who was a practising Catholic.my parents were quite surprised...lol . and as you say and i chose the road i thought was best for me
  9. It is the same in most Muslim countries Sunny, its part of culture and tradition. After so many decades i still make mistakes but as older people are made allowances for i tend to get away with it It's good to get old in Islamic culture http://www.turkeycentral.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
  10. Whether you are Muslim or not, you could find yourself invited to a Muslim home. There are certain rules of etiquette you should be aware of. Although your Muslim hosts will understand if you inadvertently slip up, they will be impressed that you took the time to learn their ways. Should You Bring a Gift? While it is certainly not mandatory to bring a gift while visiting, it is a nice touch. Most Muslims do bring a token gift when invited for a meal. Many also bring a gift on the first visit. So, what should you bring? If you are invited for tea or dinner, dessert is a highly appropriate gift. Just make sure that the sweets are not made with alcohol, lard, gelatin, or any other pork product. Other appropriate gifts include flowers, vases, and house wares. It probably goes without saying, but do not take a bottle of wine or other alcohol to a Muslim home. When in doubt, simply pick up a cake. You can never go wrong with sweets. Greeting MuslimsAlthough it is acceptable here in America for unmarried men and women to embrace, it is completely unacceptable in Islam. Upon greeting a Muslim family, the men will embrace and the women will embrace, but a mixed gender embrace is a big no-no. An embrace usually entails a hug or partial hug and kissing both cheeks. Entering the Home Most Muslims remove their shoes before entering the home. They will usually have a special place reserved just outside the door or in the entry way for shoes. This is both religious and cultural. Cleanliness is very important in Islam. Muslims are not to pray in a dirty area and the bottoms of shoes are considered unclean. As a matter of courtesy, you should remove your shoes if everyone else does. Mixed Sex Interactions In many Muslim homes, the men will gather in one room and the women will congregate in another. This is because Islam strongly discourages mixing between unmarried men and women. Even in less strict households, where men and women do sit together, there are still certain rules: [*]Flirtatious behavior should be avoided. [*]No touching of the opposite sex, no matter how innocent. [*]Conversation should either be between a group of women, a group of men, or the entire group together. Private conversations between an unmarried man and woman are frowned upon. [*]When speaking to a member of the opposite sex, conversation should be relatively serious and businesslike. Overly playful speech could be misinterpreted. Although these rules may sound rigid, most Muslims are fairly laid back. Most will not mind if you do not follow their rules. Still, it is a sign of respect to follow the rules of the household. Trust me, they will notice and appreciate your sensitivity and good manners!
  11. Sunny.....you are right. I personally believe in the soul and it's journey when i leave this planet therefore God has given me guidlines to follow. Most all religions teach peace,love and compassion. However it is human beings that through power and greed cause the most destruction on this planet. jackieeuk.I would suggest that you discuss this sooner rather than after having children. Do you know anything about Islam? Would you want that for your children? I was a catholic until i was 16 then decided that i could no longer accept the faith. When i met my husband he never forced me to change my religion but insisted that any children would follow Islam. Although i was no longer a catholic and did not believe that Jesus was God or the son of God, [i believed that God was one and did not need to come in different forms] i still believed in all the prophets and that will never change. I learnt about Islam from his educated perspective and his nature,way of life and the life of the prophet Mohammed. You will be surprised how close Christianity and Islam are. I think.like me you are the sort of person that can make it work but have no doubt that any children will have a strong leaning towards Islam. When they are older and wiser thats when they can make their own decision....just like mine did. I have 2 strong well adjusted daughters of whom both hubby and i can be proud of.
  12. Dont you think the yogurt is much nicer than it is in the UK. When i go to Turkey i usually eat more. I have it mixed with fruit for breakfast as well as just eating it out of the tub. I only eat a limited amout of fruit yogurts here in England
  13. The Dim River, or Dim Çayı in Turkish, is around 8 km away from Alanya to east. The river is running all the way from Konya, around 200 km. It is very popular with tourists and also local people drive there. There are even places to have your own BBQ. You can escape the heat of Alanya and relax next to the cool water. The water is never warm, no matter how hot the weather would be. There are many many restaurants along the water and you can find a place to sit in "a floating hut" or even up in the trees. Most of the restaurants have delicious fish dishes made of fresh fish from the river. Some of the restaurants even have water slides and other water toys, but there are also more quiet places further away from the activities where you might find lovers relaxing or older people like me reading and sleeping. You can take a taxi to take you there. Discuss the price beforehand with the driver. Maybe someone has an idea, which is a good amount to pay for a taxi. If Alanya is too hot, Dim Çayı never is. It is really refreshing to swim in the river. There is a bus from Alanya that will drop you at the bottom (entrance) but you will need a taxi to explore.
  14. Very amusing !! What happened to that old saying 'Sticks and stones may break your bones but names will never hurt you' I would like to be a fly on the wall in the house of lords at times :ph34r: One day everyone is going to rise up in their thousands and march along with a band in front calling out names at onlookers as they go be they black white or sky blue pink they will do it in gay abandon. And I dont want to be there when it does take place.no siree.
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