InterestsBy profession: real estate. By choice: online marketing and trying to be a bit innovative; enjoying the lovely sun and sea here in Altinkum and going on boat trips which I do a lot because my other half runs private boat tours! Lucky me!
This is an edited version of a conversation Seesmilez and I have just had on PM. Seesmilez suggested the content might be useful so here it is:
Basically, I was looking for an apartment in Turkey on the internet and got in contact with an estate agent through rightmove.co.uk, who after a few weeks of exchanging emails, found an apartment where the builder was knocking
Hi everyone! Well the campaign has been pretty effective because Easyjet now have flights between Manchester and Bodrum starting in August this year! Now I reckon flights from further north - like Newcastle - would be very welcome... I wonder whether they'd consider it??
Chala, good news about your fella and his new job ;)News for anyone banking at HSBC - I've just been contacted by the manager at my local HSBC because they are discontinuing their 15-day and less time deposit savings accounts. It's a shame because I found them a useful way to earn interest without tying up my money! I'm going to try Denizbank instead which is still offering daily accounts with a 12% interest rate (though as Benhalterci says, no doubt falling fast along with every other bank's rates).Not sure if I agree confidently about the exchange rate issue though. Over the last year I've seen the lira fluctuate between 2.9 to the GBP and 2.19 (3 lira to the GBP at one point if you want to go back 2 or 3 years) so the current loss might be part of the usual up-and-down wave pattern...
Aha! Now I understand... I saw this on the news too, though I didn't understand it at all apart from the fact that the December date is a mistake and the real date is June!Here is the Todays Zaman article: http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar...amp;link=160301In summary, it says that anyone who opened their bank account without providing ID & proof of address needs to provide some by 1 June 2009. Acceptable ID includes: residence permit, identity card, electricity, water, natural gas bill or marriage license. Everyone who opened a bank account after 1 July 2008 should have been asked for this information at the time they opened the account, and many other people who opened accounts before will also have given this information.For those who can't get to their bank, it also says "Account holders who opened their accounts without providing this data will be able to convey their ID numbers to their banks' databases via e-mail or SMS" - obviously that only works for Turkish citizens whose details are accessible on government databases though!
I mean the British Consulate that is nearest to you in Turkey or that deals with where you are marrying. There is an honourary consulate in Adana but I don't think it deals with marriages. He can tell you which consulate DOES deal with your area though. I'm sure you can go to Ankara because that's the main consulate, but maybe you can also use Antalya which might make for a nicer trip! (Especially in winter!).http://ukinturkey.fco.gov.uk/en/our-office...ions-in-turkey/
Oh-ho, medical exam... THAT'S a can of worms!I think the international marriage licence is what you get at your local consulate when you take your certificate of non-impediment there to be translated. They issue you with a bunch of papers that you need to take to the local Vali to be signed and once you have that you can proceed onto the hospital and then onwards to the Turkish registrar.Hospital?? I hear you cry... Yes, anyone intending to marry in Turkey needs to take a blood test at the local Sağlık Ocağı (health centre) to show they don't have undesirable diseases. This isn't a foreigner thing - Turks also need to take the same test. I'm not sure what they test for though - we didn't need to wait for any results before heading down to the registrar's office to book our dates.HOWEVER... women who have been married before and divorced less than 300 days used to have to have an internal pregnancy test (presumably to prove they were not pregnant with their ex-husband's child). From what I can discover, they don't do this any more.But a friend of mine (who I don't think had been married before) made the mistake of going to a relatively rural clinic, and was given the same test!!! She was far more reticent about it than I would have been, I think :S Moral of the story? Stick to more cosmopolitan areas when having health checks....
Benhalterci, I don't agree with you - though maybe we are talking about different things. Those a**holes you describe would be the same a**holes no matter where they lived and there are also plenty in London where I was brought up. But there are other men around, who don't behave like pigs but whose cultural experiences lead them to different interpretations of normal situations than, for example, a man brought up in London. Like Romy's boat trip experience. A Turkish woman would only chat on her own with a man she didn't know if she was "interested" in him, and that's how the boat trip guy interpreted her behaviour. When she made it clear that wasn't her intention, he backed off. Anyone who has travelled enough will know that different cultures have different natural boundaries and different interpretations for body language and social situations. A wise traveller will make the effort to understand these and modify their own behaviour and their interpretation of others' accordingly. Better-known examples: the old "personal space" thing - Northern Europeans have a bigger sense of personal space than Mediterraneans so you can occasionally see conversations moving across the room as the northern european backs away at the invasion of personal space and the mediterranean comes closer; hand gestures - the thumb-and-forefinger-forming-a-circle gesture means "ok" in some cultures and something very insulting in others; the importance of taking your shoes off as you enter a muslim house; blowing your nose in public (extremely rude in some cultures); men holding hands or arm-in-arm in public (friendship in some cultures, love affair in others).Romy, if you encounter an a**hole who won't take no for an answer, do whatever it takes to get away from him and run to the nearest available place for help. Mace is illegal here - as in the UK - but I do know people here who carry it so it's obviously available. Hairspray IS legal though and I know from self-inflicted injury that sprayed in the eyes it can be a very effective deterrent :huh:But back to avoidance of trouble - you already know not to walk around deserted places & especially at night; stick to routes you are familiar with and know how to get where you're going; walk confidently; don't restrict your awareness by listening to headphones, talking on the phone or wearing a hood that restricts your vision; don't wear clothes that will handicap you if you need to move quickly... I'm sure there are plenty more suggestions around!
Hmm, interesting idea Ben! Well obviously being a former weightlifter doesn't work (credit to Moonstar downloadable dictionary for that translation ) - I think perhaps because as benhalterci says, there's an idea that European women are up for it pretty much unselectively so they actually BELIEVE we are pleased to be hassled. Not helped by... erm well the ones who ARE up for it pretty much unselectively and can be found dancing drunkenly in naff discos in most of the holiday resorts... but also the fact that we expect to be able to interact pretty much the same with men we don't know as with women we don't know, without it being taken as a come-on. I've been brought up to consider it polite to smile and make eye contact with people I am speaking to but to do that here to a man you don't know is like inviting him out to dinner! The boundaries and expectations are just different here.
I suppose the best knock-backs are Turkish but maybe they don't need to be unpublishable... wouldn't something along the lines of "shame on you! would you talk to your mother/sister/daughter like that?" do the trick? The double-whammy of speaking Turkish and evoking family ties might shock transgressors into submission...
Aha, you really are a halterci... I looked it up in the dictionary yesterday but hadn't got round to asking you about it :huh:I agree completely about the slimeballs BUT I stand by what I say about clothing. I still look just as European as I ever did - white non-tanning skin, freckles, blue eyes, light brown hair. When I dressed in what I felt pretty in, I got hassled. My first ever trip to Turkey was Marmaris and I remember walking down the seafront - on my own, in the daytime - in an ankle-length dress that just so happened to have strappy sleeves. I got SOOOOOOOOOO much hassle, and horrible hassle at that, that I nearly never returned to Turkey. Now I wear that same dress in the summer with a t-shirt over the top so my shoulders aren't showing and there's an extra layer of material between my chest and the outside world, and no problem.Romy, you might have to make a choice between feeling pretty and getting hassled - even if you are a weightlifter like benhalterci. I don't think this compromise is "right", by the way - but this is the real world, not an idealistic one. If you're prepared to bat off the unwanted advances, take a stand and wear whatever makes you happy and if you're like me and prefer to keep your head down, then modify your clothing to suit to your environment.
You probably don't need to speak that much Turkish - body language speaks volumes! But that's why what you wear etc can be so important.
The longer I spend here, the more I find myself adjusting to Turkish levels of acceptable dress and the less I find anyone wants to talk to me . By "turkish levels" I really mean small town domestic dress - you can switch on the telly here and see chat show presenters with the most astonishingly plunging necklines, gravity-defying bosoms and thigh-flashing hemlines but even at a big party in a small town the amcas would keel over in shock if anyone turned up wearing something like that!
This is my "style guide" - and it's as much about what I feel comfortable walking around in as what I think other people expect me to wear. Conversely I'd feel mortally uncomfortable wearing my "turkish wardrobe" in london - far too old-fashioned and unadventurous...
So... no clingy (shaped is ok), no ankles or elbows except in summer, not even a hint of cleavage (polo necks with something over the top are good unless it really is too hot), avoid shoulders and avoid knees. Typically I wear trousers, long sleeves & high round necks until spring, when I willl probably change my long sleeves for short, then in summer change my trousers to knee-length skirts or crops. If I want to wear a v-neck I'll make sure it nearly comes up to my collarbone, and if not I'll wear something higher underneath. Flat shoes or boots are far easier to wear than heels. If you look around at Turkish women, you'll find they often wear more covered tops underneath the slighter, prettier ones that are more decorative! It's a good way to make sure no-one misinterprets you wanting to look nice as you wanting them to follow you round the streets.
As for scarves, in a tourist area they are unnecessary, but if you're somewhere else and look around and see most other women are wearing them, you might feel more comfortable wearing one too. If that's the case, also adjust the length of your top so that it covers your bum and you'll probably fit right in... My friend recently went to Urfa in the east of Turkey and I had a good old chuckle at the photos of her wearing huge gypsy skirts, trainers, long sleeves, a headscarf and trendy sunglasses in place of her coiffed hair, perfect makeup, pedicures and stylish clothes...
As for talking to men... well my godmother seems able to strike up conversations with men wherever she goes and adjust the tone so they don't think she's chatting them up, but she has a lot of practice after having lived in Morocco, India and Japan for the last 4 decades. I'd recommend trying not to start conversations with men unless there's an obvious context and be ready to repel boarders gently but firmly (waving a wedding ring won't cut it!).
Apart from that, common sense really. Follow the same guidelines as you would anywhere else you weren't familiar with and you'll be fine. And if you DO get into trouble, don't be afraid to ask for help, you'll find it given generously and with no agenda.
Hi benhalterciTo the best of my knowledge, the search on foreigners is carried out on any applications to purchase in Turkey, including in Istanbul. The purpose of the search is to determine that there are no obstacles to the purchase, so the fact that your preferred area in Istanbul is non-restricted would be confirmed as a result of that search.The search also checks that you as a buyer confirm to all the requirements - that you are a national or a business of a country with a reciprocal agreement that allows Turks to purchase property there; that your business meets the various special business requirementsAnd it also checks that the property you are buying is covered by an implemental or local development plan, that your total local property ownership is no more than 25,000m
Hi lilletI have a couple of friends - one Turkish, one British nationality, who married in the UK, divorced in the UK and later both successfully remarried in Turkey (to new partners of course!). I presume all their marriage and divorce paperwork would have been done in the UK, and as far as I know neither of them had issues remarrying in Turkey.I think your ex-husband might just be trying to bully you. Maybe you DO need to register your divorce in Turkey but I would be surprised if you need to re-divorce your ex! Sounds like maybe the paperwork in Turkey isn't complete enough for him to remarry.Did they have your decree absolute apostilled in the UK before trying to use it in Turkey? If not, maybe that's why it's not being accepted.If you want some good advice about this, try asking Myfanwy on this forum - she is a British solicitor working with a Turkish one so might be able to give good advice regarding both countries' legalities.Regarding your power of attorney, it only gives as much freedom as is specified on the document itself. If you are concerned that it's too general and might allow your representative to do things you don't want, don't send it. They will need the document itself in order to use it even if it's registered at the FCO. You can have a replacement done that is more to your liking. Needless to say though I would recommend that you only give POA to someone you feel you can trust not to misuse it - maybe if you feel this lawyer is close to your ex-husband you would sleep more easily giving that responsibility to someone else instead.